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Juan D Elite user 482 Posts |
I was wondering if any of you perform this effect.
There are many versions (one being the commercial Mental Epic), but the use of the one-behind principle just does not convince me as it is really evident to smart people these days. T.A Waters has a fantastic essay about this kind of effect on his Cerberus book (also found on his Mind,Myth and Magick compilation) and it really got me thinking about this type of effect. So, do you perform this effect? Which version? How's your audience reaction? |
Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
I'm performing my own adaptation of Richard Osterlind's StenoESP, the bonus routine version from The Very Modern Mindreader, and getting an excellent response.
The bonus version, instead of using a stenopad, uses bound index cards. It's very clean and makes a lot more sense to me than a lot of other three phase predictions. Like you Juan, I find most other presentations too obvious. This one is the exception to me but, then, I haven't read Waters in a long time. I present it as an example of actual ESP testing procedures, rather than my reading someone else's mind. I write a target on a card, flip it over and the subject makes their guess while someone records it elsewhere(not neccessary but allows some nice advatages that I can't detail here). Then I write a second target, flip it, they take their second guess and so on. Each target becomes progressively more difficult. I've shown this to some very smart people who thought it was the real thing. There are elements of time misdirection that I've expanded upon that add a lot to the effectiveness. Also, there are ways to immediately hand the cards to the subject, or anyone else, for verification of the hits. My new email friend, Nicodemus has a suggestion to improve even further on my handling that looks very promising but I haven't had a chance to try yet. If you have TVMM and can verify it for me (e.g., a line and page #)there's a bit more I'd be willing to share via PM. If you don't have it and are interested in this kind of effect I highly recommend you get this. There are two other fine examples of Richard's thinking as well as the three phase routine. Bill |
Juan D Elite user 482 Posts |
Bill, Thanks a lot!
I'm right now looking for a copy of Richard's book. Sounds like a very interesting approach. However, in his routine, ss the spectator required to say what he is thinking of on each phase? Let me know. Also if you know where to find this book, that'd be great! |
Necromancer Inner circle Chicago 3076 Posts |
I'm also ringing in my support for Osterlind's The Very Modern Mindreader. In answer of your question, some of the answers are voiced and some are not (specifically, the final one is not).
But you can do this with any traditional form of the three-phase prediction, if either (1) the third item is an equivocation, ala Richard Busch's excellent "Pre-Season Superbowl" in his book Peek Performances; or (2) you have something done first whose answer you can secretly obtain (such as having a participant withdraw a card from an Osterlind-system deck and place in his pocket without looking at it), but which you apparently think nothing of until you write down your third impression, which has the added dramatic impact of being different from the prior two predictions by being an example of clairvoyance. I hope that reads clearly. For another interesting spin on the three-phase prediction that could throw off the analytically predisposed, I hope you'll take a look at the XPERT Epic routine included with my utility device, The XPERT. You can find it at hocus-pocus.com, hanklee.com, and my own site, necromancerevents.com, as well as at a host of other dealers.
Creator of The Xpert (20 PAGES of reviews!), Cut & Color, Hands-Off Multiple ESP (HOME) System, Rider-Waite Readers book, Zoom Pendulum ebook ...
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ekozuch Veteran user argentina 329 Posts |
Hello, I am the creator of "Marker Epic." In this effect the magician writes his predictions with the same markers the spectators use.
This is what is written in the first packaging page: ): The classic magical mind-reading effect, "Mental Epic," brought up to date. No special, cumbersome props required: Just a few sheets of paper and three markers. Effect: Three spectators are invited on stage. Three markers, red, green and blue are handed out to the assistants, who have a free choice of any color. Each helper also receives a piece of paper. Each spectator is asked to form a picture in his head about something the magician could not possibly know. Once they have formed the picture, they are asked to capture it on their sheet of paper by drawing it. The magician takes the very same markers the spectators were using, and on a tablet of paper, duplicates all three designs - in the same colors they have been drawn by the spectators. The magician's drawings and the spectators' match perfectly! - Has the same effect as Mental Epic, but requires no complicated apparatus. - The entire effect fits in your shirt pocket. - A seemingly impromptu miracle. Please, if you want to know something about it, write at my e-mail: ekozuch@kadima.com.ar |
Juan D Elite user 482 Posts |
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I hope you'll take a look at the XPERT Epic routine included with my utility device, As I said on the XPert thread: I'm already sold!, I'm waiting for it to come (I really don't know why HankLee's taes so much time). |
drosenbe0813 Elite user Long Island, NY 405 Posts |
I've been using Bob Cassidy's 3 phase prediction, and I love it. It doesn't require any 'force' and you actually write down your thought before the spectator 'reveals' his.
Lee Earle has a variation in MIND, but I still prefer Cassidy's. |
Juan D Elite user 482 Posts |
One of my major concerns about this effect, is that it is , as T.A. Waters said, a cerberic routine :
It either will blow your spectators minds or just pass as simple puzzle. The idea of being so open to anything the spectator could think of, just does not fit my style and I really believe, makes the effect to go the "puzzle like" way. Using gimmicks is another thing that I really dislike for this effect: "Why is the performer so concerned about differentiating each prediction?" It just makes the spectator think that "there's something in the little gimmick that makes it work." Also, the idea of having the spectator to speak each thought is something that I really don't like. |
Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
Juan,
Have you found Richard's book yet? If not it is available at his site so you shouldn't have a problem. I think his routine, StenoESP, especially the bonus version as I indicated in a prior post, solves many of your concerns. As for the rest of your concerns (like having the participant speak out loud) my version, which I'll be glad to share with you once you get Richard's book, should handle those as well. Bill |
Juan D Elite user 482 Posts |
Bill, Thanks again.
What is his site? Tnx! |
Bill Cushman Inner circle Florida 2876 Posts |
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gibby357 Veteran user The Woodlands, TX 344 Posts |
I want to thank you guys also for the info. This has been an effect that has either killed my guests or just made them scratch their collective heads. I will read some of the variations and hopefully get past this hurdle. Thanks.
gibby |
Socrates Regular user 197 Posts |
Remember, the magic happens in the minds of the spectators and the reaction you get from this effect is down to, you, the performer.
In the past when I've performed this effect it has gone down like a lead balloon. However these days I've managed to come up with an excellent presentation and it kills every time. Find a way of presenting it which suits your own personality and character. Once you totally believe in what your doing your audience will believe too. Hope this helps. Socrates 'To know the road ahead, ask those coming back' -Chinese Proverb |
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