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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
RJE: ABC and acesover might look the same to you, but they are different people
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
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On 2009-08-01 13:01, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: Thanks John, I was about to start complaining. RJE, I don't really care. Protestant, Catholic or atheist. Sometimes they all seem the same to me. |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
What specifically distinguishes blasphemy from heresy?
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
Blasphemy doesn't hurt the larger population.
Heresy, if it leads to insane cult groups, does hurt the larger population. Other than that I guess the only distinction is personal opinion. |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2009-08-01 01:08, landmark wrote: Since I suggested this line of thought would make for a more interesting conversation, I suppose I should run with it, for a little bit, at least. IMO, a couple of questions are suggested - 1) Is this because Americans (i.e. the readers/listeners/viewers of the media outlets) don't want to hear it, or for some other reason? 2) If some other reason, what other reason(s)? 3) If because Americans don't want to hear it, what are the leading reasons for that? 4) If because Americans for the most part don't want to hear it, but the conversation takes place in places where those who want to hear it and participate in it (e.g. far left blogs, publications, radio stations, etc.), is that problematic? Is it substantively different than the fact that only Chinese restaurants serve Kung Pao Chicken?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Your quote: But, if you wish to look at it from my personal point of view, there is no god at all. WOW!!!
My response: Personal points or view are like a--h---s...everybody has one. WOW!!!
If I were to agree with you. Then we would both be wrong. As of Apr 5, 2015 10:26 pm I have 880 posts. Used to have over 1,000
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
While I don't want to answer for Jack, he probably has something like the model proposed by Herman and Chomsky in Manufacturing Consent. I don't want to trivialize the model by doing it a 50-word injustice, but the basic idea is that the structure of Western media (and Herman and Chomsky argue the case mainly for the US) gives it a very conservative "momentum" and that only occasionally does the media find the resources to not be conservative.
By "conservative" Herman and Chomsky do not refer to political conservatism, but rather to the old-fashioned sense of "maintaining power as it is." The model proposes a number of "filters" that fairly regularly keep certain views out of the news. One of my favourites is concision. Since TV news is structured to give entire stories in 20-30 second segments, it is impossible to say something that requires independent thinking. Because of the time constraint of concision, news items must fit into the viewers' existing conceptual frameworks, or else they would be unintelligible. This is a very brief sample of the sort of view that could be championed in this area. Obviously, there is much more to be said than can be said in this little space. The constraint of concision works here too. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Yes, exactly John. I linked to a newer version of Manufacturing Consent in a previous post. It's worth reading (as is most of Chomsky's writing) even if one doesn't agree with it.
Lobo You were close when you said that it may be that advertisers would object and pull their ads. A moment's reflection shows that if advertisers can influence what journalists write, then the role of journalism is not to write the truth but something else. But it is not just the advertisers, though they are important. It is that the media themselves are corporate entities with many of the same interests of the corporate influenced executive and legislative (and therefore judicial) branches of government. NBC is owned by GE which is a major military contractor. CBS, ABC, Fox, The NY Times, Time Warner are all part of corporate conglomerates with CEOs who have an important interest in keeping the system going, and obfuscating the actions and motives of the corporate class. I just saw the movie Food Inc tonight, based on the books Fast Food Nation and The Omnivore's Dilemma. I know you're a vegetarian ( I'm still a fish eater) and probably aware of these books. They outline the incredible change in food production from the family farm to agribusiness factory meat production. I don't want to go into it here, (I'll start a new thread) but there's lots here that the mainstream media won't touch or they apologize for, because it would uncover too much about the way the corporate system really works. Jon Interesting notion to distinguish between a blasphemer and a heretic. I think the words often overlap, but when they don't, I tend to think of the blasphemer as a negator of the current system, while a heretic may well consider him or herself within the system, just interpreting it differently, perhaps returning the system back to its "true" meaning. Thus, Martin Luther would be a heretic but not necessarily a blasphemer, while someone who curses out a god would be a blasphemer, but not necessarily a heretic. Or maybe it's the other way round: Maybe it's the blasphemer who is still within the system. The blasphemer is angry that the god s/he still believes in didn't come through for him or her and so curses the god, whereas the heretic thinks the god is false and doesn't need to curse. The blasphemer yells at his parents, the heretic leaves home. Jack
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
Is it at all possible that some individuals do not have the ability of "independent thinking" mastered just yet?
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Tom Bartlett Special user Our southern border could use 763 Posts |
Jack (Landmark) it’s a good thing you have (Magnus Eisengrim) John as an interpreter or no one would be able to understand some of the statements you post. Don’t you think it would be better if you just said what you mean so he would not have to clarify and interpret thing for you all the time.
Our friends don't have to agree with me about everything and some that I hold very dear don't have to agree about anything, except where we are going to meet them for dinner.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Well, not no one, as evidently John understands my frame of reference
But sorry if I'm not clear to you. Internet communication is notoriously difficult. I think we're all doing the best we can here, each talking to many different people, each with their own life experiences and assumptions. It's amazing to me we get as far as we do. Anyone care to pick up blasphemy versus heresy? Jack
Click here to get Gerald Deutsch's Perverse Magic: The First Sixteen Years
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kcg5 Inner circle who wants four fried chickens and a coke 1868 Posts |
Dog on
Nobody expects the spanish inquisition!!!!!
"History will be kind to me, as I intend to write it"- Sir Winston Churchill |
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spatlind Special user still moving 863 Posts |
There is only one God in Ireland
:stout: Bow down before him..
Actions lie louder than words - Carolyn Wells
I believe in God, only I spell it Nature - Frank Lloyd Wright. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-08-02 12:08, spatlind wrote: Let me guess, the Irish Bibles all begin with the book of Guinesses. John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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spatlind Special user still moving 863 Posts |
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On 2009-08-02 12:34, Magnus Eisengrim wrote: They all finish with Revelations too! Usually that you had a kebab on the way home and half of it is in the pocket of your jacket..
Actions lie louder than words - Carolyn Wells
I believe in God, only I spell it Nature - Frank Lloyd Wright. |
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Steve_Mollett Inner circle Eh, so I've made 3006 Posts |
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On 2009-08-01 22:32, abc wrote: Especially if the larger population is viewed as the 'heretics' by a smaller 'insane cult group' wielding inordinate sociopolitical power.
Author of: GARROTE ESCAPES
The absurd is the essential concept and the first truth. - Albert Camus |
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abc Inner circle South African in Taiwan 1081 Posts |
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On 2009-08-02 21:11, Steve_Mollett wrote: Your head is shaven and you look really scary in those handcuffs so I do not want to disagree with anything you say. |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On 2009-08-02 21:11, Steve_Mollett wrote: Is this a typo? surely you mean the "lager population..." John
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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MagicSanta Inner circle Northern Nevada 5841 Posts |
This is Paddyism at its worse. As an American who recognizes the suffering the Irish people endured here I am ashamed. Let them do their own thing.
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