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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
IMHO it is good to know a routine that you like and are willing to learn what goes into it.
KISS Keep it simple at first. and after you have been around you might find that going back to what you dismissed as simple and find new life in the old. Stay green in magic and theatre so you(I) can continue to grow. The longer I am in magic the more I realize I still need to know. I hope to see some of you "newbies" and "oldies) next week(July 1-5,2003) at the IBM Convention in Kansas City. Harris Deutsch Laughologist and Nearly Normal Magician
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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CardFan Elite user Found the Socks ! 430 Posts |
What was first the egg or the chicken ?
I think that you must learn whatever gives you pleasure and fun. Begin with a routine OK, it will entice you to learn sleights to improve it. Begin with sleight OK it will entice you to find a routine using it.
Aiming to become the only magician in the world that has ever produced the lost socks back from the dryer...
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Michaels Elite user 412 Posts |
Jem,
I read your post over and over because I couldn't figure out why there were conflicting views on what IMO would appear to be a cut and dry response. If the question was asked: Should you learn addition first or multiplication first, I assure you everyone would respond addition. Then it dawned on me. Does your post refer to basic, intermediate or advanced sleights? There exist many routines that most seasoned magicians can do because they have most of the basic and intermediate sleights perfected. They have established a foundation. At that point they may wish to learn more advanced sleights as needed for particular routines that they may be interested in. A well built house needs a solid foundation. I've never seen a house built from the top down. Basic Sleights = part of the foundation Advanced sleights = New additions to the house Magical effect = Finished house Just my thoughts Top of the day, Michaels
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Phred Regular user 118 Posts |
I agree with those that have recommended the Royal Road. By building a foundation of sleights and effects that go with them gradually, will allow you to develop at your own pace and work on presentation skills at the same time. Until you are a full time pro, I just don't see any reason to learn half a dozen different DL's etc.(perhaps not even then, many pros make a living with just a DL, false shuffle, and a card control).
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jmm1303 New user Tennessee 49 Posts |
Go with sleights because you can always use them.
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cougar261084 Elite user 460 Posts |
If he's new to magic, he can't just put sleights together in a routine.
When you were a beginner were you like this: Okay if I put that sleight there then I have this...? No, I think in the beginning everyone uses routines out of books, or videos, so here's what I reccomend. Buy alot of videos and books; they teach all the sleights and routines to keep you interested. You will learn more sleights as you progress because what are sleights without a routine? |
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Pablo Tejero Inner circle Zaragoza, SPAIN 1201 Posts |
I think that for beginners it must be more or less like this:
- learn tricks without sleights, for a best known in magical performing and what magic means. - learn basic sleights - learn tricks that involved the basic sleights you have learned - learn more difficult sleight - learn more difficult tricks with the more difficult sleight you have learned. That´s how I think. All the best magic, Pablo Tejero P.S.: "What was first the egg or the chicken?" None of them. The first was the dinosaur
"The Magic is in the air, you just have to... breathe it!"
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what Special user Lehi, UT, USA 643 Posts |
I like the house analogy. But let me take it a step further.
You want to build a house. You will first need a set of plans. You might design the plans yourself, or purchase a plan. This depends on your budget, experience, and level of income. At this point, you know what the house will look like. You have not decided on the finish work and might not have picked out your colors yet, but you have a good idea how the home will look when finished. Next, build the house from the ground up. You need sturdy materials and know-how. Once the house is built, you are forever finishing it off. You put in a yard, garden, change paint, finish off the unfinished portions, etc. The house is a magical performance piece. This is what you are trying to build. The routine is the plan. It is what is going to get you going, and directs your efforts. The building materials & know how are the props & sleights. If your goal is to learn about construction before you build a home, then you are better off just playing with the building materials and gaining know-how. You will build a house later. If your goal is to build a home to live in, which you can always improve, then by all means start with a plan.
Magic is fun!!!
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Ricahato Regular user denver 113 Posts |
In this case the reason is because everywhere you go people will handle you a deck of cards and say show me something, and you should be able to perform every time without needing to have something prepared. personally i use gaffed deck only when the effect cannot be reproduced with a regular decks. thank you!
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I suggest you start with basic routines to build some awareness of how things work and how YOU move and how YOU want to present magic. This means you get to try different ways of PRESENTING the routines.
As you learn more about how YOU come across and how when YOU are effective... you will find moments in routines that would suit you better if the mechanics were different. This is where learning more about mechanics and sleight of hand starts. Not from clever, but from making routines flow the way YOU want them to. You might check out the threads on 'two in the hand...one in the pocket' to see just how many people do this thing with different presentations and different emphasis. And my all means while you admire the clever stuff all you want, just remember that it might not work the same way for you.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
It makes sense to learn a sleight, then learn a routine (or several routines) that employ that sleight. That is the only way that you will ever be able to perfect a sleight. You need to have a context to use it in.
Sleights almost always have a "get ready" phase, an action phase and a recovery phase. By working a sleight into a routine, you learn how to get into the get ready phase and how to move out of the recovery phase. Once you have mastered a sleight IN CONTEXT, then you really know how it works.
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TheAmazingNick New user 6 Posts |
Yea, and to help you along with what palmer is saying, maybe you should check out Royal Road to Card Magic which does just that.
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