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rutabaga Inner circle Toronto, Canada 1283 Posts |
I'm curious about how those who perform this gem deal with the ending. The way Latta leaves it is kind of... unsatisfying.
I've been playing with continuing the routine into bits of Trio by Kurtz, or even some Liwag things... anything to avoid ending where Latta does. Is this just me, or do others attempt the same thing? |
Eric Jones V.I.P. Director of Product Development 2101 Posts |
What about the trick leaves you unsatisfied? Three coins are produced, fly from hand to hand and then vanish as magically as they came.
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manreb Special user 666 Posts |
I agree fully with Eric. The effect has a great opening sequence a terrific middle and a magical ending. There is no ambiquious or confusing components. I do not feel unsatisfied.
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ShawnB Special user 728 Posts |
I changed the ending up a bit to end cleaner and with a greater impact.
To note... my patter refers to being a poor street performer... At the point of the routine where the single coin goes from elbow to finger tips, elbow to finger tips... I state "there is a lot of fun that you can have with a coin... that you just wouldn't realize until you just have one" I go on to say..."Money can burn a whole in poeples pockets" I place the single coin in my pocket and it penatrates the fabric...leaving no hole. (cleans up) At this point I can go into two different endings.... One of wich is Kozmo's coin to eye... (I use coin to mouth...) Pattering about slieght of foot. having a coin dissapear from under your foot and appear in your mount is pretty strong and ussually gets a nice appluase/surprize gasp. Or for the alternate ending I can coninue on track with the "Money burns a hole theme"... this time going to my other pocket. (Allowing me to load up) and directly after the coin passes through the fabric, I do a coin roll.. I then pass the coin from my right to left hand... where it turns into a 3 inch jumbo coin. If I know I am going to end with this sequence... I introduce the trick as the "One coin trick.... its kinda a big one"... At then end of corse I refer back to the name of the routine as a coin roll..."and that was the famouse one coin trick" as I pass the coin from right hand to left hand... "Its kinda a big one" Suiting my actions to words and alluding to the finsh at the begining of the trick really helps with the overall impact of the effect. Shawn
Shawn.
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
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On 2009-11-10 10:12, rutabaga wrote: Which trick/routine are we discussing here? 3 fly? |
KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
ShawnB,
Nice ideas on the big coin trick. |
ShawnB Special user 728 Posts |
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Which trick/routine are we discussing here? 3 fly? [/quote] Geoff Latts's trick with 3 coins... you can find it on one of the New York Coin Guys DVD's... Coins across I think. Shawn
Shawn.
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
The ending makes perfect sense, the appearance of a large coin will detract from the entire trick. Going to the pocket makes this less magical. The only thing I don't like about the trick is the thumb palm steal. at the end of the trick. There are better steals.
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KirkG Inner circle 1391 Posts |
Thanks Shawn. Interesting title. I will look it up.
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rutabaga Inner circle Toronto, Canada 1283 Posts |
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On 2009-11-10 10:29, Eric Jones wrote: I mean ending SO dirty. I've been working in various ways to clean up, but having a bit of difficulty finding something that maintains the personality of the original, which I really like [although I agree with Dr. Rubinstein about that steal [alternate suggestions? I have the KCM series if there's anything on there!]]. I tried moving into Doug Brewer's/Larry Jennings Hanging Coins, but the movement and concept of the trick seems at odds with Latta's. |
Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
While its true that you don't end clean, if your hands look clean that should be enough. But I am sure you can manipulate the routine to end clean w/o going to your pocket. Try Al Schneider's steal, w my variation from the encyclopedia, or the ROPS move.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2009-11-10 10:12, rutabaga wrote: Way back when some of what's in that routine was used in his work on the Ramsay trick - aimed at getting the coins into the hat at the end. Using the gaff makes good sense as it would permit him to get one behind for the last phase of the routine and also one ahead with what's in the hat. Yes he was that clever. And is missed.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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rutabaga Inner circle Toronto, Canada 1283 Posts |
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Yes he was that clever. And is missed. Amen to that. |
funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9982 Posts |
Years ago I started using a basket holding a variety of coins, chips and other small objects. I give this to a spectator to hold and select coins from the basket or have them handed to me. Thus, there is never a question of examination. I find it easy to swap these for any special coin that I need -- even with my arthritic hands, and return the coins to the basket when I am finished. I appear to start and end clean. Of course, this would be difficult worth expensive coins. My 3forAll effect even uses a CSB set and I have never had a problem having them taken. Morgans could be a problem.
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ShawnB Special user 728 Posts |
Hi Mike...
I would tend to disagree. I get some wonderfull reactions with the jumbo finish, and coins through the pocket. How does ending with a jumbo coin detract from the entire trick? How does adding an addtional phase of magic (coins through pocket) make the effect less magical? Thanks Shawn
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
... and that's why real magicians do dove productions - but all the while wishing they were producing kitties or puppies.
and don't waste your time thinking "oh but a jumbo is still a coin" as the the audience it's a huge non-sequitor (outside of a routine which sets up a big finish )
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
In my opinion, the production of a jumbo coin is an effect onto itself. You do this great, intricate routine, put in all the work, and finish with the big coin. All that work will be forgotten, and all they will talk about and remember is that you produced the coin, negating the entire beauty of the routine you just performed. Its the danger with producing the jumbo at the end of any routine where the size is irrelevant to the routine.
The vanish is the perfect ending. You start with nothing, slowly build with a comical production, do a coins across, and slowly make them vanish. The effect is circular and complete. Now if you go to your pocket, even in trying to extend the routine, you are giving your spectator a memory of going to the pocket. Even if you don't use it for anything suspicious, your audience doesn't know that. Why give them a path that creates a solution in their mind, even if its the wrong solution? I feel it takes away from the mystery. In my opinion, of course.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
I'm with MR above about leaving them with a mystery.
There's a story about a stage magician who tried to close his show with a woman in an open frame box vanishing over the heads of the audience. The audience would just sit there stunned and take forever to clear out before they could get the next audience in. Go for that mystery.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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sickmagic Special user 528 Posts |
I don't do the vanish of the 3 coins at all the way he does it, I agree being that dirty with 3 coins is not a way to end that amazing of routine. I simply vanish them with a couple of utilities very magical and very clean. Feel free to PM me and I will share it with you! It isn't mine and the methods are published but since I open my table set with trick I have to show empty hands at the end.
BTW I think that is what he was talking about, not that the vanish was less to be desired but the fact that your holding out the coins at the end of the routine. Things like that can be very tricky if you need to move clean right after. Sickmagic! |
KenRyan Elite user 465 Posts |
I know this is an old post. But I too was wondering about ending so dirty. Has anyone who performs this great routine found it to be a problem to end that dirty? If so, are there any tips anyone might have for ending a bit cleaner? I have not yet performed this for real people, so I am truly looking for the advice of folks who have lots of experience doing this routine.
Thanks! Ken |
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