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Potty the Pirate Inner circle 4632 Posts |
All of you who are anti-"exposure": how exactly did you come to learn magic? Did you not have a trick exposed to you? We're in the business of entertaining. You can watch plenty of videos that demonstrate that performance magic is still very much alive (more so than ever).
Forget exposure, and go work on your material! My 2c Potty |
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pearljamjeff Inner circle Ann Arbor 1247 Posts |
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On 2009-11-30 04:06, Potty the Pirate wrote: I can't speak for everyone here, but I can speak for myself.... I learned magic because I sought to learn magic, not because I googled the term "card trick." I started with a simple magic set, and then had to search the entire library to find one book on magic. From there, I found a magic store that was two hours away from me. From there I learned about conventions. From there, I met a few friends in the art. From there, I started to develop my own material. That was my journey, since you asked. Keep magic magical, Jeff P.S. Anyone who sincerely believes that exposure is OK... please publish the address where you work here on the forum.
Jeff Travilla - I own an advertising agency to help finance my magic addiction.
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Dr. Eamon Inner circle ------------John Dream------------If you can Dream it, you can Do it! 1313 Posts |
You´re 100% right ´pearjamjeff´, I had to drive for a few hours too to buy some magic and I had almost no information about the tricks out there. More info came from conventions and friends I met there. I had to read a lot and the only things exposed on tv (two or three times a year) where children’s tricks you could find in any children’s toy magic box.
Now there is so much exposure, I can´t imagine that there is any serous magician out there that doesn´t care ore he just doesn´t know how much it is happening, or he is fishing and looking for exposure to find ´cheap´ secret´s and rip-offs without caring of ethics and intellectual property. Best, John |
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magicFreak2 Inner circle 1220 Posts |
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On 2009-12-01 15:06, Dr. Eamon wrote: Just realized something. Videos get to the top of searches via two factors: views and ratings. So if a bunch of people go to a video and rate it 1 star, its not going to come up as often in searches, and thereby get less views, and then less ratings... you see where I'm going with this. Lets try something. Whenever you see a reveal in a post, OR in a video, just post it right here and about 10 people head over there, and thumbs down it. If its a bad video, you just 1 star it. |
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Renaldo New user The Great Pacific NW 83 Posts |
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On 2009-11-29 13:47, chichi711 wrote: LOL Nice. So, you think I'm lazy because I don't think it will matter to anything in the long run, and on top of that you claim that you expected me to make that comment. You must be one heck of a mentalist! But it's not lazy, it's futile. It doesn't matter if you're already spending time on the internet or not. As already mentioned, it doesn't delete the comment, it just hides it, and if someone has their account settings to show hidden comments it doesn't do anything. Believe it or not, the average person is not on Youtube looking to uncover magic secrets and steal bread out of your mouth. Most people couldn't care less. Hard to believe, I know. There always have been, and always will be, people that seek to expose effects. Giving them any kind of attention is too much. Ignoring them makes them irrelevant. I believe in placing yourself above them, not stooping to their level. And, I stand by my original statement. If your career/hobby/whatever can be sidetracked by someone spilling the beans on Youtube, you need to re-examine your life. Exposing a gimmick has nothing to do with destroying the magic of someones performance. As a performer, you use the gimmick, but you create the magic. If you're really creating magic, that can't be stolen by anything on the internet. |
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pearljamjeff Inner circle Ann Arbor 1247 Posts |
Relado, if you really think blatant exposure does not matter, I would gladly travel to where you perform and trail behind you explaining how you did everything as soon as you finish performing.
That is exactly what exposure comments on Youtube are like. Do you really think that your audience would be uninterested in hearing me explain piece by piece exactly how you performed your material? You might argue that your audience is different than the youtube audience because to find exposure on youtube you have to seek it out. Incorrect. It's easier to find exposure by searching "magic" on youtube than it is to find a restaurant where you can watch a live magician perform. If exposure really cannot take anything away from your performance and the magic you "really create," I would be happy to give you a lesson, the next time you perform, about the importance of keeping magic's secrets. Better yet, what if I beat you to every spectator, telling them exactly what you were going to do before you did it? Similar to the way people tend to read through the comments on a youtube video while the video itself is buffering. I doubt you would enjoy this experience, and I would never actually do so, but do me a favor and at least think about how that would feel.
Jeff Travilla - I own an advertising agency to help finance my magic addiction.
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Renaldo New user The Great Pacific NW 83 Posts |
I'm going to have disagree with you Jeff. Someone posting something on the internet and someone standing next to the magician giving out the gimmick are apples and oranges. If you can't see that, then there's no use even discussing it with you.
Does it make you angry that anyone can walk into B&N, grab a book off the shelf, and learn your routine? Or in your mind, is there some difference to reading something in a book as opposed to reading something online? Because, finding answers at a book store is infinitely easier than online. You don't even need to know the right terms in a book store, you just go to the person working there and tell them you want to know magic and they put it right in your hands. Aren't all those magic books exposing secrets too? Also, from what you're saying, you can't enjoy a magic performance if you already know how the tricks are done. I feel sorry for you, because the next best thing to doing magic is watching magic done good. Quote:
On 2009-12-01 04:51, pearljamjeff wrote: 2701 NW Vaughn Street Portland, OR 97210. |
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pearljamjeff Inner circle Ann Arbor 1247 Posts |
There is a large difference between seeking out various magic secrets from book in a bookstore and having someone explain point-blank the exact routine that was just performed for a lay audience. One is learning, and one is exposure. Now THAT, my friend, is apples and oranges.
You cannot see a magician perform a routine and then easily find the secret at the local bookstore. You would have to learn some basics, discover the actual name of the piece you saw performed, find out if it has been published or not, etc... Yes, you may find some secrets in books at the library or bookstore, but it doesn't simply lay them at your feet in the way youtube exposure does. If someone sees a magician perform a piece that inspires them to become a magician, I am all for the learning process that accompanies a true quest for magical knowledge. Having a method exposed in a comment directly under a video where that routine was just witnessed is not learning for the sake of learning. It's exposure for the sake of exposure. I cannot fathom in my wildest dreams how you can support this. I swore an oath to myself at the age of seven to protect the secrets of magic, and keep magic magical. The only exception to this is for those truly wanting to learn the craft, not for those who merely want to learn the secret, and especially not to expose the secret in public regardless of whether the reader does or does not wish to seek out this knowledge. A magician may be able to enjoy magic regardless of his or her knowledge of the method. The same does not hold true for a lay audience. Next time a boisterous lay person ruins your routine by pointing out a secret they randomly saw on youtube, think of this thread. That may never happen for you. In fact, I truly hope it does not. But it might... and then you might realize that there was a very simple and easy task that you could have partook in to help battle the problem. Instead, you inflated your ego and said, "This is not my problem. I am so good at what I do that this will never affect me." Now is not the time for ego. It's time to come together and actually act like a brotherhood. The address you posted is an insurance company. My response that you quoted had to do with the working performance of magic (even though it was tongue in cheek) not with your day job.
Jeff Travilla - I own an advertising agency to help finance my magic addiction.
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Pakar Ilusi Inner circle 5777 Posts |
It is a good thought but in the long run I believe it will not really do much to curb exposure on youtube.
Good thought though.
"Dreams aren't a matter of Chance but a matter of Choice." -DC-
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