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Posted: Dec 13, 2013 09:50 pm
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Quote: Actors have that exact dream or one which they are naked on stage.
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Quote: As a teacher, I am plagued by the dream of being in front of a class with no lesson prepared.
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tommy
Eternal Order
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Posted: Dec 13, 2013 10:06 pm
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Luxury! When we were kids we used to dream of getting some sleep.
If there is a single truth about Magic, it is that nothing on earth so efficiently evades it.
Tommy
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kambiz
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Perth, down by the cool of the pool
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Posted: Dec 14, 2013 09:57 am
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Quote: On 2013-12-13 03:15, Mary Mowder wrote:
Well, considering your brain is part of your physical body…
I'm going to say:
"You need a physical body to see, hear and think in incredible detail" LOL
-Mary Mowder
Actually Mary, research has indicated that the brain is as close to dead in REM sleep or dream sleep, as can possibly be without being dead.
Dreams are a fascinating sign of the validity if the power of the human soul, it can see, feel, hear and think while the brain all but dead
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break.
.....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!
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Tom Jorgenson
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LOOSE ANGLES, CALIFORNIA
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Posted: Dec 14, 2013 05:16 pm
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If you get attuned to Reiki, your dreams become lucid and controllable. For the first several years after being attuned, I would dream whole novels, in detail, start to finish.
I can still stop and start dreams and control how they play out if I want, and seem more observer than participant. It was very strange at first. Now, pretty natural. I find, for me anyway, that the dreams you have closest to waking seem most predictive and generally set your mood for the day.
Fascinating topic. The physics of 'dreamland' seem to coincide with Swygard's 4th Plane of Awareness.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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arthur stead
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When I played soccer, I hit
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Posted: Dec 14, 2013 06:37 pm
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Tom, were you able to retain the content of those "dream novels" and write them down?
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mastermindreader
1949 - 2017
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Posted: Dec 14, 2013 08:35 pm
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Quote: On 2013-12-14 04:57, kambiz wrote:
Actually Mary, research has indicated that the brain is as close to dead in REM sleep or dream sleep, as can possibly be without being dead.
Dreams are a fascinating sign of the validity if the power of the human soul, it can see, feel, hear and think while the brain all but dead
Kam
Kam-
I'd love to see what "research" you are referring to. The brain, in fact, is VERY active during dream sleep.
Quote: Sleep: A Dynamic Activity
Until the 1950s, most people thought of sleep as a passive, dormant part of our daily lives. We now know that our brains are very active during sleep. Moreover, sleep affects our daily functioning and our physical and mental health in many ways that we are just beginning to understand.
Nerve-signaling chemicals called neurotransmitters control whether we are asleep or awake by acting on different groups of nerve cells, or neurons, in the brain. Neurons in the brainstem, which connects the brain with the spinal cord, produce neurotransmitters such as serotonin and norepinephrine that keep some parts of the brain active while we are awake. Other neurons at the base of the brain begin signaling when we fall asleep. These neurons appear to "switch off" the signals that keep us awake. Research also suggests that a chemical called adenosine builds up in our blood while we are awake and causes drowsiness. This chemical gradually breaks down while we sleep...
Dreaming and REM Sleep
We typically spend more than 2 hours each night dreaming. Scientists do not know much about how or why we dream. Sigmund Freud, who greatly influenced the field of psychology, believed dreaming was a "safety valve" for unconscious desires. Only after 1953, when researchers first described REM in sleeping infants, did scientists begin to carefully study sleep and dreaming. They soon realized that the strange, illogical experiences we call dreams almost always occur during REM sleep. While most mammals and birds show signs of REM sleep, reptiles and other cold-blooded animals do not.
REM sleep begins with signals from an area at the base of the brain called the pons (see figure 2 ). These signals travel to a brain region called the thalamus, which relays them to the cerebral cortex – the outer layer of the brain that is responsible for learning, thinking, and organizing information. The pons also sends signals that shut off neurons in the spinal cord, causing temporary paralysis of the limb muscles. If something interferes with this paralysis, people will begin to physically "act out" their dreams – a rare, dangerous problem called REM sleep behavior disorder. A person dreaming about a ball game, for example, may run headlong into furniture or blindly strike someone sleeping nearby while trying to catch a ball in the dream.
REM sleep stimulates the brain regions used in learning. This may be important for normal brain development during infancy, which would explain why infants spend much more time in REM sleep than adults (see Sleep: A Dynamic Activity ). Like deep sleep, REM sleep is associated with increased production of proteins. One study found that REM sleep affects learning of certain mental skills. People taught a skill and then deprived of non-REM sleep could recall what they had learned after sleeping, while people deprived of REM sleep could not.
Some scientists believe dreams are the cortex's attempt to find meaning in the random signals that it receives during REM sleep. The cortex is the part of the brain that interprets and organizes information from the environment during consciousness. It may be that, given random signals from the pons during REM sleep, the cortex tries to interpret these signals as well, creating a "story" out of fragmented brain activity.
See the complete article at: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain......leep.htm
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Tom Jorgenson
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Posted: Dec 14, 2013 08:45 pm
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Quote: On 2013-12-14 13:37, arthur stead wrote:
Tom, were you able to retain the content of those "dream novels" and write them down?
During its Heyday, I would have had about 20 minutes before they'd fade...and strong flashes of memory of them for a day or so, occasionally... enough retention to have written down all the key points if I had wanted, and I think that would have been enough of a memory-jog to to use it as an outline for writing it all out...but the dreams themselves weren't really novel material. Detailed, in order, one whole LONG cohesive run of story...but not that interesting AS a novel. The process was fascinating, the content not so much.
That was really interesting, but the fact that the Reiki-energy thing initiated that type of lucid dreaming was even more interesting to me.
We dance an invisible dance to music they cannot hear.
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kambiz
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Posted: Dec 15, 2013 10:37 am
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Quote: On 2013-12-14 15:35, mastermindreader wrote:
Quote: On 2013-12-14 04:57, kambiz wrote:
Actually Mary, research has indicated that the brain is as close to dead in REM sleep or dream sleep, as can possibly be without being dead.
Dreams are a fascinating sign of the validity if the power of the human soul, it can see, feel, hear and think while the brain all but dead
Kam
Kam-
I'd love to see what "research" you are referring to. The brain, in fact, is VERY active during dream sleep.
Quote: Sleep: A Dynamic Activity
Until the 1950s, most people thought of sleep as a passive, dormant part of our daily lives. We now know that our brains are very active during sleep. Moreover, sleep affects our daily functioning and our physical and mental health in many ways that we are just beginning to understand.
Nerve-signaling chemicals called neurotransmitters control whether we are asleep or awake by acting on different groups of nerve cells, or neurons, in the brain. Neurons in the brainstem, which connects the brain with the spinal cord, produce neurotransmitters such as serotonin and norepinephrine that keep some parts of the brain active while we are awake. Other neurons at the base of the brain begin signaling when we fall asleep. These neurons appear to "switch off" the signals that keep us awake. Research also suggests that a chemical called adenosine builds up in our blood while we are awake and causes drowsiness. This chemical gradually breaks down while we sleep...
Dreaming and REM Sleep
We typically spend more than 2 hours each night dreaming. Scientists do not know much about how or why we dream. Sigmund Freud, who greatly influenced the field of psychology, believed dreaming was a "safety valve" for unconscious desires. Only after 1953, when researchers first described REM in sleeping infants, did scientists begin to carefully study sleep and dreaming. They soon realized that the strange, illogical experiences we call dreams almost always occur during REM sleep. While most mammals and birds show signs of REM sleep, reptiles and other cold-blooded animals do not.
REM sleep begins with signals from an area at the base of the brain called the pons (see figure 2 ). These signals travel to a brain region called the thalamus, which relays them to the cerebral cortex – the outer layer of the brain that is responsible for learning, thinking, and organizing information. The pons also sends signals that shut off neurons in the spinal cord, causing temporary paralysis of the limb muscles. If something interferes with this paralysis, people will begin to physically "act out" their dreams – a rare, dangerous problem called REM sleep behavior disorder. A person dreaming about a ball game, for example, may run headlong into furniture or blindly strike someone sleeping nearby while trying to catch a ball in the dream.
REM sleep stimulates the brain regions used in learning. This may be important for normal brain development during infancy, which would explain why infants spend much more time in REM sleep than adults (see Sleep: A Dynamic Activity ). Like deep sleep, REM sleep is associated with increased production of proteins. One study found that REM sleep affects learning of certain mental skills. People taught a skill and then deprived of non-REM sleep could recall what they had learned after sleeping, while people deprived of REM sleep could not.
Some scientists believe dreams are the cortex's attempt to find meaning in the random signals that it receives during REM sleep. The cortex is the part of the brain that interprets and organizes information from the environment during consciousness. It may be that, given random signals from the pons during REM sleep, the cortex tries to interpret these signals as well, creating a "story" out of fragmented brain activity.
See the complete article at: http://www.ninds.nih.gov/disorders/brain......leep.htm
My apologies Bob. Looking back maybe I could have been clearer.....
My post was made in the context of having our senses active during dreams, whereas the senses are at their most "inactive" during REM sleep.
When in REM sleep the sensory stimulation to the brain from the optic nerve, olfactory nerve etc are as close to death as they can be and thus the brain from sensory nerve activity is effectively dead. During REM sleep people can often be pinched quite hard without any reaction.
It is for this reason that during initial research REM sleep was termed "paradoxical sleep" (Google that for further details)
The paradox existed in that there was no stimulation of the brain coming from any if the sensory nerves, yet, as you have already pointed out, the brain is actually more active than when we are awake!
The paradox existed in that scientists cannot discern where the source of this activity is.
In the Bahai Writings, it is pointed out that this is a sign if the activity of the human soul impacting on the brain, for as we de-sensitize more and more, the human soul finds means of freedom.
It is the basis behind the closing of ones eyes during prayer, the beauty of fasting, and foundation of ascetism
Kam
If I speak forth, many a mind will shatter,
And if I write, many a pen will break.
.....and when I consider my own self, lo, I find it coarser than clay!
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