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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Aaron Smith I'm not Dominik and I'm not complaining nothing otherwise simply can be a lot funny about this illusion,
shurely I don't like see people talk and say what is not thrue about this specific illusion . About the Dominik old Bad politic you right I didn't like also it , but this is a new opportunity for him. Do you think is better continue whit his old politic used until few months back or is better what is doing slowly day by day asking to be right? Aaron simply if your answer is "doesn't matter" or" you don't want see the evidence" from his web site ( he is really removing what wasn't right build), so after his honest purpose to change to all creators , if nobody will talk nobody can have reason for any complains, what do you think? I'm wrong? thanks. |
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Olle Tro. New user www 72 Posts |
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(he is really removing what wasn't right build), Lol. A joke. I see a lot of rip-offs there. There is no rational reason to defend that!! Quote:
to all creators , What a nonsense. And the answer: Yes you are wrong. Totally. No creator has to talk to him. Why? They did it already and often. Only to say again, what they did tell him directly: "No!" And now a "no" again. Let's see the facts of the current situation: He has no right to offer and build the illusions. Nothing more to say. No matter if they talk to him or not. No authorization. All discussed. Your blabla is no excuse. As long as he has no "Yes" he can say whatever he wants and you whatever you want. He has no "Yes" - but he had a lot of NO in the past. And btw: Yes we have reason for complaining. He is damaging me as illusionist - who did pay the fees, damaging creators, damaging builders and damaging the whole brotherhood for years, for many years! There is no excuse for that. And now you will go on with your spamming... I predict it and I predict that it will bore me. And it bores 99,9% here. |
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magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
To all the repetitive posts on this subject.
Please keep this is perspective. There are only 10 or so people who contributed to this long and boring argument over sliceman. 4,000 or so people have viewed the posts, but that includes the 50 (each) or so times each participant logs in to see the ongoing argument. Bottom line, this is not being broadcast to the magic population at large. Only a handful of people have a true interest in your illusions (whoever claims it). The more you grouse over it, the less anyone would want to get the illusion and be a part of the dispute. You will not win this argument, only waste the time of viewers who log into the Grand Illusion section expecting to find fresh commentary. :stuckinbag:
Illusionist, Illusionist consulting, product development, stage consultant, seasoned performer for over 35 years. Specializing in original effects. Highly opinionated, usually correct, and not afraid of jealous critics. I've been a puppet, a pirate, a pawn and a King. Free lance gynecologist.
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illusionman2 Special user 991 Posts |
Which prop (illusion) does Hans Klok own, Nestor Rotsen's or Dominik Martorana's??
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Olle if you don't understand the situation doesn't matter ,
so thanks for your great suggestion, I will try to share this suggestion and tell it to the direct interested , I can say something like this as you explained me : Dear friend you don't need to be right and you don't need to ask the persons if there is a possibility to be right today , no one want heard this, so is better if you Continue to do what you was doing like few months back, it's better for you don't care about them , you can be again or even more free to build evrythings like before and again whitout any respect , like this all of the creators can loose more money and forever , you simply growth more than how much you are now, so again don't care about them! it's a really a clever Idea Olle, but this is not the right way , don't forget also if there is a bulder there also some buyers and they ask for it!( and are seriously a lot ) Anyway I'm not really shure if what you say is really advantageous for all the creators, anyway thanks for your great suggestion, Marcus |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Olle if you are a creator and Dominik as builded something yours whitout right,
I'm here ( send me a Pm) and I will try also whit you to make a new aggangement if you want, but if you don't want , thanks again what I can do! |
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Nestor Rotsen New user 3 Posts |
Hello,
The effects shown in my promotional video are used in my shows, these props are not made for selling. Besides, I do have the necesary authorizations. I will not play any games with Markus or anybody else, since I do not have time to waste. You all know who Martorana-Dominik-Markus is. I am not interested in these lies, I have never met Martorana in person or worked for him. If anybody needs any answers or information, you know where you can find me, and are welcome to write directly. In my publicity ad, Hanks Klok and Silvan are featured. In case there is any doubt, please ask them directly to about this. Thanks |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Yes Nestor is better don't cheat more,
thanks, we can talk through PM evrybody are boring even me , in evry posts you wrote somethings differents, on your last you named two magicians and you Admit you used this names for your promo, in your previous message you wrote an opposite version, you wrote about Dominik has used that name of a Magician , please clarify , who used that name whitout Authorization? you can't change all the time story , and remember don't cheat too much because here in Europe evrybody know you are a seller of poor copyes . you can be a Storyteller just whit the US magicians but not whit us European, also DON'T FORGET anyway you aren't Authorized for ANY REASONS , YOU CAN'T BUILD UNAUTHORIZED COPY AND AFTER SAY : SORRY ARE FOR MY PRIVATE SHOW! you can't build evrythings freely sell and perform your Copyes on Tv or inside your Shows there is no reasons and rights anyway, I WILL REMEMBER YOU THAT MAGICIAN ASKED YOU DON'T USE HIS NAME FOR YOUR UNAUTHORIZED ACTIVITY, thanks. P.S. when you will replay to my previous questions? you can do it even by Pm if you want, thanks dear Nestor. |
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tristanmagic Special user 533 Posts |
Nestor, you wrote:
The effects shown in my promotional video are used in my shows, these props are not made for selling. Besides, I do have the necesary authorizations. I'm very dissapointed in your answer as I know for a fact that you didn't receive permission from Nathan Burton and Andre Kole to use their creations! (I asked them personally as they are friends) Please stop using these effects till you made a deal with them! Both can be contacted through their web-site: http://www.andrekole.org/ http://www.nathanburton.com/ (send Emily an email) Also you didn't receive the rights from Mark Kalin and Hans Klok to build their fire spiker with double girl production so please ask your client (the magician who bought this from you) to contact them to arrange the rights! If you want to stop piracy start by giving a good example. |
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UrbanIllusions New user 5 Posts |
Dear collegues,
Right now I am the owner of Hans Kloks' Sliceman. It's a well made piece of art...! It takes some rehearsal, (maybe a lot!) and some strong biceps! At the moment, I am not sure if I'm going to use it in our show, or sell/exchange it for something else again... But if some of you are interested, just let me know! Byebye, Georges http://www.urbanillusions.com / georges@funkholding.nl |
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Tim Ellis V.I.P. Melbourne, Australia 1234 Posts |
So what's going on here with this MODERN ART RELOADED illusion on sale at Pro-Magic?
http://pro-magic.com/shop/product.php?pr......0&page=1 Is it a rip off? Authorised by Steinmeyer? Or what???
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
It's not a ripp off this is the Original version of the illusion,
until few days back was exactly an Authorized version whit the rights and all, but after few problems( you can read here on this thread what happen) the rights owner asked to Omit his name for the moment until the situation came back again clean, Promagic doesn't update the promo, anyway yes is the original version sold. |
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Tim Ellis V.I.P. Melbourne, Australia 1234 Posts |
So Jim Steinmeyer doesn't approve of the illusion.
I only ask because I just, today, got an email from Pro Magic promoting the trick - with Steinmeyer's endorsement on it
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Tim actually say is not authorized is not right,
simply he is not actually intersted about this illusion until this controversy doesn't stop I think , anyway Promagic must change that promotion soon as possible and he must remove that name from the promo as asked even from the Illusion's builder ( Dominik magic), that's all. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
So before the illusion was Approved ,
now whit the controversy the name is removed , we will see for the future what can happen..... |
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MagicErik Loyal user Sneek, Netherlands 284 Posts |
It seems that Hans Klok has sold his Sliceman already.... Wonder what happened....?
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Yes he also sold it( like some others performers) because he already understand the real situation the background and the poor quality.....
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stephane_arnow Loyal user 283 Posts |
Seen today very close the version from Rosten (a friend magician in my area bought it, build per his measurement by Nestor Rosten himself) : build very well and finitions very good.
Nice prop, nothing to say more. I can't compare with the version from dominik, because I don't have seen it. it is a professionnal prop. I prefer the modern art classic (easier to work with) , but not bad at all. |
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Marcus.magic Veteran user 359 Posts |
Yes a professional Ripp off prop
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illusiontech Loyal user Las Vegas 210 Posts |
Rosten not only ripped off "Nathan Burton's" Prop, but the routine theme as well.......Shame Shame Shame.
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