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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
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So you think I'm performing it improperly? The shock value of the load GIVE THE SPECTATOR to grab the loads! Any way...you are on your right to disagree with me! My best, Hansel!
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Donnie Buckley V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts |
When I say "foam loads" I was referring to Metatron's foam egg idea and sponge balls, not a solid foam golf ball.
I don't want to produce anything that "compresses". Posted: Feb 22, 2010 4:27pm Spectators grab the load all the time! I encourage it. When that lime shows up they freak, I am tabling the cup and one of us is picking up the lime. If they don't, I will. And I'm letting them pick up the cup the last time to find the lemon. They are more than welcome to handle the final loads! I've had spectators do the most shameful things in a Chop Cup routine when it's not worked out of my hand. I had a gal surprise me and stick her hand right in my front pants pocket because she thought I was using two balls! IMO, if they don't scream and try to grab for the load, THEN you're doing something wrong! |
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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
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On 2010-02-22 16:18, DDecae wrote: EXACTLY!
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
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On 2010-02-22 16:17, Hansel wrote: I'll often coax a spectator to lift the cup to reveal the first load, if they say the small ball is under the cup. I've yet to have a spectator try to grab the ball to see if it compresses. From the comments that I get, they're under the impression that the loads are solid. I learned a long time ago that if one person at a party is at the wrong angle, they telegraph what they see to others. With compressible loads, the angles are covered better. Of course, subtleties help to sell the density of the loads. |
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cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
I have some golf balls that look just like regular solid white balls but hardly talk at all. I use them all the time for final loads for my smaller cups.
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Donnie Buckley V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts |
I don't think the spectator is grabbing the load to see if it compresses.
They just can't help themselves and grab for it out of a knee-jerk reaction. If you watch Don Alan perform the Chop Cup on this television show - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wX7ZOLmMBrU you will see the gorgeous Cathy Lee Crosby to his right does exactly that - she screams and grabs the first load ball! Then she grabs the cup and reveals the second load - just out of pure excitement. (She looks like she's going to p her pants.) And she obviously did not expect another ball under the cup or she would have been more careful when she picked up the cup! This is exactly how I like it to go - no coaching, just pure spectator's decision to grab the stuff and do your revelation for you. That's close-up. It those balls had been sponge balls, it would have diminished the effect. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
Where I do most of my "work" the spectators cannot be permitted to handle anything. It's a hospital setting. They understand the reasons for it.
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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
Maybe Don Alan performs "Improperly" the chop cup...
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RevJohn Inner circle Oregon City Oregon, Oregon 2473 Posts |
And thanks all for your comments on the load size, etc.
I have a list of things to be on the look out for! And I will make sure that no one grabs my final loads, unless they do. And if they do, I will feel excited about it, but yet strangely guilty! If someone grabs my lime, I will ask they cut it in half, so we can use some of it in the margaritas. Wait.. that is a different kind of loaded. Seriously though, thanks for the advice! RevJohn |
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Donnie Buckley V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts |
I believe there is no RIGHT way or WRONG way for a cup routine to be performed, provided it is deceptive (magical) and entertaining (not confusing).
I certainly don't think that we should have an unswaying opinion about WHAT a final load should be, or HOW it should be revealed. Close-up magic is interactive and strive as you might for consistency, you are totally dependent upon an audience being engaged, responsive and cooperative. I know what works for me and I know how I like it to go, but it only goes that way when it can! Plus, there is always something I never considered right around the corner and on good days I learn those new ideas and apply them. You gotta be like a branch in the breeze and bend... Just to throw this out there, I've never tried this but, I've had it suggested to me that an impromptu final load of a wadded up $1 dollar bill (or $20?) is a very strong revelation, with the right presentation. For instance, if you do not accept tips, this of course, explains why - you can make your own money (in your "Money Cup")! In summary, if you want to load the largest BALL you can into a Mini Don, it's a 1 3/4" ball. If you want to load anything else, it's wide open for you to be creative with. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
One thing to watch out for (and a good reason to trial fit final loads) -- when Mike Brazill first started producing the Mini Don Alan cups in the early days of RnT II, I ordered several gross of high bounce smiley face balls from Rhode Island novelty for him. These were supposed to be 45 mm balls. Some of them were actually 35 mm balls. Some were 40 mm balls. So, if you have a local party supply house, take your cup with you and trial fit the loads.
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
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On 2010-02-24 16:33, Hansel wrote: If he use compressible loads, it would be. But, he used tennis balls, so it's not a huge deal. I think what I was getting at is that if the spectator grabs the load, it may throw off the timing of the finale, so the effect isn't maximized. Performers should use what works best for them. The loads that I use work for me and are the result of a great deal of audience testing. I tend to perform with people at bad angles and they're quite close. I'm also standing, so that creates additional challenges. |
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Donnie Buckley V.I.P. Cleveland, Ohio 1123 Posts |
I do it standing too, no jacket. I work out of my front left pants pocket.
Today's men's style of casual wear allows me to leave my shirt tails untucked. There is actually a huge benefit to this as that shirt tail covers a bulging lemon and lime in my pocket. It seems to me that the more surrounded I am (and therefor the more festive the crowd is), the more inclined they are to grab the load anyway. But it's OK, it does not throw off the timing because the next load is already done during the surprise of the first reveal and tabled. They think the trick is over and there is still one BIG surprise left to discover... If they were grabbing the balls... now that's another story and that would be a problem. |
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Alan Munro Inner circle Kentwood, Michigan, USA 5952 Posts |
I guess I just like the timing of the reveals to occur when they're the strongest, theatrically. I prefer a great deal of control over the routine's pacing
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Hansel Inner circle Puerto Rico 2492 Posts |
Alan:
I understand your point! All my best, Hansel!
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djc89 Regular user 118 Posts |
I know that I'm resurrecting a somewhat dead topic. However, have you ever considered using a RUBBER BAND ball? You could start wrapping some bands around small marble and work your way up to the ideal size, or you could simply use a golf ball to speed things up.
I personally don't have a mini Don cup, but it works well for my regular sized chop cup. Best of all: 1. It's a non-compressible and solid load. 2. You can customize the largeness of the ball to achieve the perfect balance of size and ease of use 3. Doesn't talk. 4. Launches you right into your favorite rubber band routine. |
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
You left out
5. May look tacky in your working situation.
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djc89 Regular user 118 Posts |
Ha, I suppose that could be true in some venues. But, I'd say that it's no more tacky than smiley face bouncy balls, and anywhere you might perform rubber band magic, would be appropriate. I don't think any soft ball that you can buy is going to really ooze luxury anyway. Ideally, use could use balls that related to the place you are performing, such as a golf ball at a golf country club. However, those are not always ideal in terms of method.
I also like the fact that spectators can make a direct connection to what the ball is. I find that it reduces some of the extended "grabiness" of specs, allowing me to move more smoothly to the next effect. That way, I don't have to yank the balls out of their hands, if I so happen to not use chop cup as my closer. Sometimes the tackiness can work to your advantage as well. The contrast between a rubber band ball and the atmosphere of the event could be viewed as interesting and quaint when dressed in a tuxedo. |
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