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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
Silva-185lbs
Height - 6'2" Reach - 77.6" Win % 86.67 Sub win % 13.33 T/KO win % 50% Decision win % 23.33 GSP-170lbs Height - 5'11" Reach - 76" Win % 90.91 Sub win % 22.73 T/KO win % 36.36 Decision win % 31.82 I dunno... I think the size advantage might not play that big of a deal. Superior record debatable. And superior speed... that again is debatable... and unprovable.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Well your stats show that Silva knocks more people out and has a reach advantage.
Size is an advantage, that's why Brock Lesnar is able to beat technically superior fighters. If a big guy knows how to use gravity to his advantage (i.e. bodyweight behind his punches or using weight to assist leverage in grappling) then he has the advantage. Your Win/Loss stats are obviously career total stats and GSP has lost more fights recently than Silva, who is now at an 11-0 winning streak in the UFC. Silva has more records than GSP, which doesn't seem to be represented on your chart but I would say has a bearing on the mathematics of his superiority. Silva also has 30 professional MMA fights to GSP's 22. That's almost 50% more fights. Another statistic not on your chart. Experience counts as an advantage too. Size, reach, experience, winning streak, knockouts... When ALL of the numbers are considered, Anderson Silva is a far better fighter on paper. I also believe he has better reaction speed. He hits hard and is hard to hit. I give the advantage to Silva. And I ain't the only one. Of course, we won't know for sure unless Dana White lets Silva fight GSP. But that will probably never happen because the suits know that keeping GSP safe from defeat is the key to selling tickets in Canada. GSP also isn't such a respectful cat himself. I seem to remember him mouthing off about how he's a true martial artist and Dan Hardy isn't and that's why Dan Hardy would lose. Of course, Dan Hardy has several black belts, went to Shaolin to train in his youth, and has studied martial arts since childhood, which made GSP's comments either ignorant or disrespectful. I doubt it was ignorance. And GSP's victory over Hardy wasn't quite as decisive as he said it would be. I want GSP to get an attitude adjustment just as much as you want Silva to have one.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
Well I'd say the size advantage between Brock and other people he's faced is a tiny bit bigger than between GSP and Silva. And yes, Silva has a 1.6 inch reach advantage, not that overwhelming. 3 inches taller, alright. But I have no idea what weight either of them walk around at, or weigh fight night. Which makes me wonder about the numbers I sometimes hear... How is it possible for someone to put on say 10 pounds in a 24 hour period? I also think that if BJ can hold his own at heigher weights like MW and LHW, then the size advantage for Silva doesn't seem to hold as much water.
I am pretty sure everyone in MMA knows how to use their bodyweight in tandem with strikes and grappling. Otherwise they wouldn't last that long. I don't know why I wouldn't make their stats career total. Well then I do say Jeremy Horn's exp makes him God! Ha ha ha. I know Hardy is highly ranked in BJJ and TKD. I have no idea where you get the facts for having several black belts from. I see his site says he cross trained in several styles... nothing about what those styles are or ranking in them. Well I saw a wider variety of skills by GSP than by hardy. So I'd say GSP was a more mixed martial artist than Hardy, who is really a striker. Great sub escapes shown, not much countering, sweeping, reversals, TDD, or wrestling displayed. A WW Chris Leben. I don't know what GSP said prefight, but you can't say his performance over Hardy was anything but dominating.
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. See you space cowboy... |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
They talk abour Hardy's black belts in the countdown show, which is where GSP said what he said about him.
Didn't say the size and reach advantages are huge, but they are advantages nonetheless. Particularly when you combine a reach advantage with flawlwess striking, that gives Silva a better good chance of knocking GSP right out before he can even get a hold of him. Silva is also the more experienced fighter. Silva usually knocks his opponents out in the first or second round. Somehow I think the skinny Canadian will be easier to knock out than a heavyweight. That's just my opinion though. The only reason Silva's last fight was by decision was because Silva made a bad choice to goof off instead of ending it. Whereas the reason GSP's fight with Hardy went to decision is because GSP isn't as good as he thinks, or maybe because he underestimated Hardy's martial arts ability. 45-56 is a victory, but I wouldn't call it total domination. I really don't think GSP has a snowballs chance in Brazil against The Spider, but again we'll probably never find out the answer to that question.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
Personally I think GSP has as high a success rate with take downs as Silva has with landing strikes. And I can't think of anyone with a smoother quicker take down than GSP. If Lutter can get Silva down, I think GSP could manage it. Big problem is that Silva's lanky, heh. You think GSP is skinny?
But you forget one thing! GSP has one thing Anderson doesn't.... Riddum. Silva can't andle it. heh
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. See you space cowboy... |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I think if Silva can dodge a wrench he can dodge a shoot.
It seems to me that the only time he is held back is when he is overly cautious. I think if he went into a GSP fight confident and smart he would end it quick. I hope White lets it happen though so we can find out. Although, Tito Ortiz getting knocked out never seems to shut him or all of his fan up.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Mikael Eriksson Inner circle None of your business 1064 Posts |
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On 2010-04-11 22:38, critter wrote: I've actually had a similar thing happen to me. A few years ago I attended a freind's class in Kung Fu. There was a guy who was maybe 15, and in his life's best shape, and being "bigmouthed" and unpleasant. I was around 35 and totally out of shape. However, I trained ju-jutsu when I was in the same age as this guy, so I told him to do some attacks on me, which he did. I totally dominated him, and he did not stand a chance. STILL, this guy continued to mock me and think I knew nothing about fighting. Eventually I learned that it was because of my age. I was OLD! So naturally, I had no skill and couldn't teach him anything... |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Nice. I'd like to see him tell Kunron SuriyaSak that he's too old to teach him anything. Or maybe Randy Couture.
Come to think of it, I think I'd like to see Anderson Silva fight Tito Ortiz. I love watching Tito get knocked out. It never gets old.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
All I'm saying is, George st. Pierre goes into each fight with a specific strategy. He plays to his opponents weakness, in this case Anderson Silva's weakness is off his back. I no doubt agree with you that The spider is a superior striker, but when St. Pierre comes in and starts with his game plan dumping Silva on the ground over and over, he might now have an answer to that. Like you said, Dana White will probably never sign for that fight. Would be great to see though. That's one pay per view I would not wanna miss. If St. pierre can take down world class wrestlers at will, he will have no problem taking down Silva. I was a fan Of Silva's till all the show boating started.. it's a shame cause I liked him.
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Apparently, Silva's manager says that's the last time he'll 'act out' like that.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
Technically I think it's Dana that said that, heh. Well I can't wait to see Shogun beat Lyoto AGAIN.
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. See you space cowboy... |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
Yeah that's going to be a good one.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
Three facts about the Best Fighter in the World, an education brought to you courtesy of Saturday’s UFC 112 event in Abu Dhabi:
1. The Best Fighter in the World will not engage a one-point-five-dimensional jiu-jitsu stylist on the feet but will instead express anger and frustration at the grappler not making it easier to assault him with fists and knees. This will remain true even when the jiu-jitsu stylist has one eye swollen shut and the desert air is so oppressive that managing a clinch or latching a submission would be nearly impossible. 2. The Best Fighter in the World has such contempt for his opponent, the spectators, and his employers that he will spend time seizing and convulsing as though he were being exorcised of an evil spirit. His fans will call this “showmanship.” Objective viewers will call it “annoying.” 3. The Best Fighter in the World will commit the most disturbing infraction in the rules -- written or not -- in combat sports next to an outright fix: he will not fight to the best of his ability and attempt to win the fight at all times. Instead, he will coerce the crowd into chanting the name of a fighter sitting ringside who may or may not be his next opponent. This is how badly Anderson Silva ruptured his reputation Saturday: he so disillusioned the audience that they began to offer vocal support for a hypothetical opponent three to six months before he would even enter the cage. Against Demian Maia, a man whose consciousness he could easily confiscate, Silva gyrated around the mat like a spinning top and beckoned Maia to play his game. Maia did eventually wade in, but only after 20-plus minutes of hamming. What he should’ve done was flop to his back and chastise Silva for not falling into his guard. It would’ve been just as absurd as what Silva implied. Instead, he shuffled while Silva danced; while Silva slipped into Capoeira; while Silva mimicked Royce Gracie’s distinctive hands-low, push-kick-to-knee stance. Anderson Silva is of great amusement to Anderson Silva. What we’ve learned in the Maia, Thales Leites, and Patrick Cote bouts -- snoozers all -- is that Silva wants to play a zero-sum game of risk. His comfort level is in countering, and if a fighter refuses to cooperate, he will refuse to initiate an attack. This is an effective way of preserving brain cells but a catastrophic strategy for keeping seats filled; UFC brass handing him Forrest Griffin or anyone who can “bring the fight to him” is an embarrassing conceit. Why shouldn’t he be bringing the fight himself? This is audience-killing stuff, the kind of thing that sours attitudes and prompts apologies from the host of suburban pay-per-view fight parties. Summary is best left to announcer Mike Goldberg, who sweats hyperbole through every pore and is fond of saying that “Anderson Silva is on another planet.” He certainly is. I didn't write that, it's just something I found amusing from another forum.
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. See you space cowboy... |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
This is purely fantasy because it's two different leagues and weight classes but I think Aldo Faber vs Anderson Silva would be a great fight.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Bobby Forbes Inner circle virginia beach, VA. 1569 Posts |
Don't you mean Urijah Faber...or Jose Aldo. Never heard of Aldo Faber...Nevermind, if we're talking fantasy, then a combination of Aldo and Faber would be a great fighter. Best of both worlds
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
All I know for certain is that I could not last one hour of training (let alone a match) with an "average" MMA fighter. Those guys are athletic personified.
Danny Doyle
<BR>Semper Occultus <BR>In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act....George Orwell |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2010-04-23 05:25, Bobby Forbes wrote: Yeah I meant to type Jose Aldo. His impending beatdown of Faber must have been simultaneously on my mind.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
~Will Rogers |
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Joey Stalin Inner circle Canada 1072 Posts |
For some reason I never liked faber from the moment I saw him...
-A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic.
-It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. -The secret impresses no one. The trick you use it for is everything. See you space cowboy... |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
I like Faber and Aldo both. I think Aldo will crush Faber though.
I also like Chael Sonnen, but I still like Anderson Silva too. Fights where you like both of the fighters are fun but also sad because someone has to lose. Like when Chuck and Randy fight. It's always an awesome fight, but either way a really cool dude is going down.
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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