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rottenmagic New user 51 Posts |
Jonathan
Rest assured that I am sure of my position. The reason I was confused by your post is because you didn't make a clear point with your "who's lying to who" comment. Also, if you think talking about the internet is a distraction, then you shouldn't bring it up. I was responding to your comment. I would like to make myself clear. I am not here to fight with anyone. That's why I'm wondering why you are criticizing the way I am expressing my opinion, and are calling this discussion an argument. Do you have a rule book for how to express an opinion? I said that I was sure that people who release magic material are aware of the theft of their stuff (especially over the internet). I don't think that is a false statement (at least not to me). You also take issue with my "you can't justify" comment. I can somewhat see your point. I made it sound as if I was telling you personally that you can't justify that position. I can see the conflict on that. You can justify anything you want to yourself. What I was actually saying was that our community shouldn't use theft as a reason to stop the release of material. It doesn't make sense to me. Any way that you can think of to disseminate magic information to the magic community can be corrupted. What I mean is, someone will always find a way to get information that they shouldn't have. You can't stop that from happening. So in my opinion, theft is not an appropriate reason to limit or stop creators from releasing their stuff. That's all I was saying. I was definitely not trying to tell you how to think. Maybe I'm not fully understanding your position. I understand and agree with your definition of exposure, but I don't fully understand your position on the subject. So I guess I should just ask. Do you believe that a magic effect being sold in a publicly accessible magic shop, or in internet magic shops, is harmful to magic as a whole ? If so how do you suggest magicians acquire new material ? How would anybody break into the magic field ? Respectfully Jeff |
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Jeff,
Of course I would not stop anyone from putting their work up on the internet for free for all and sundry but it does bother me that most works offered go into detail describing other people's works which have tended to be very quiet up till then. Giving away what is not theirs to tell about. Now if someone wants to lie to themselves that a work they put out will not almost immediately get posted on the internet...well that's also up to them. Did you know I have a book that's not in print - but those who can keep secrets are welcome to have? And there's plenty of stuff in posts on the Café there for folks to use in performance and in developing their own works. All I asked long ago was folks not publish that stuff outside the Café. Leave it here for others to discover as they explore. The language stuff I poke at has to do with hidden assumptions in statements - unchallenged assumptions presumed to be true. It comes from the language side of NLP. Reading your last post it seemed to me you were close to using that kind of analysis for a sentence or two where you explored how I was reading what you wrote. Then you want back as of the 'actually' statement. A thing is what you think it is until you find out more about it. Jon
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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rottenmagic New user 51 Posts |
Thanks jon. I get your point about the way I expressed my opinion. I also totally agree with your point about the exposure of other peoples work within a new effects instruction (unless permission is given, but more often than not, it isn't). I also have a big problem with the apparent lack of integrity of the younger and newer magicians.
I don't think our viewpoints on exposure are that much different. I realize that my initial impression of your position was incorrect. I assumed to myself that you were being selfish. Now I realize you are just passionate about protecting our craft. Your last quote couldn't be more true. Also, I think it's hard to consider a man that gives away his work to better his peers, as selfish. My humble appologies. Your a smart guy and its a pleasure talking to you. Jeff |
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lejon Special user 721 Posts |
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I do not think this DVD was directed at magicians. I don't think the show was directed at magicians either. My understanding is that BoTH the show and the dvd are directed at lay people. Another point is that I got this DVD through "ZIP" which is a rental dvd service. same as netflix in the US. I never found anyother material than that. so clearly it says something about the ditribution channels tha t the producing company uses. channels that lead to exposure. And all his explanation for doing so is " I don't do it like that, but you could fake it like that" I might be newer magician or grumpy old guy( you shall not know), I find this lame. I call that exposure. whatever the guys name. |
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