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BMF Regular user Saint Louis 132 Posts |
I'm a card guy that's been toying with cups for years out of general interest in magic. I've finally decided that I want to work on the cups for a show piece. My practice cups are pretty limiting in terms of final load; I can sometimes fit limes or lemons. I'm debating between doing tennis balls or lemons as a final load, or possibly oranges. At any rate, I've found a few sets that I'm interested in. It looks like I'll be spending around $300 for a decent set that can handle a large enough load. I'm looking for a bit of advice as to what other people's preferences are, and where they get them.
A few uses of the Café search engine yielded a lot of results, but the links were generally all dead. Seems like a lot of people just grab them from ebay, but I'd rather buy them new. Any updated information would be greatly appreciated. |
magiclimber Veteran user Boulder, Colorado 315 Posts |
RNT2 is the best source for great quality cups.
http://www.rnt2.com I've looked at pretty much every cup on the site and plan to order a set of copper mendozas as soon as they get back in stock. There are several other options for large load cups if you don't want a combo set, such as: Gazzos Super Street Cups Shibby Working Pro Foxy 2.5 Phoenix 2 Personally, I think a combo set offers versatility, to be able to do gaffed and non gaffed routines. The Foxy 2.5's have a very deceptive look to them. The gazzos and super street cups are really big. A big part of your decision should be your personal preference. My suggestion is to look at each of these, RNT2 has good descriptions, dimensions, and pictures. Also Bill Palmer (only a matter of time before he posts) has a museum of cups that has tons of information. Just google it! Hope this helps! |
Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Think twice about BIG final loads. They bulge the pockets way more and are harder to load.
STAY TOONED... @ www.pete-biro.com
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
If you want to find out how large a load almost any set of cups will hold, check the database at the cups and balls museum.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
Dave V Inner circle Las Vegas, NV 4824 Posts |
I had a set of small top Super Animals (even bigger load than the Gazzos)
Turned out the size was so big that I couldn't comfortably palm a ball and lift the cup without fear of flashing or dropping the ball. I moved down to the tennis ball size Love Cup and eventually Mendozas (nearly identical size and shape with the added Chop feature) and I LOVE IT! No more super jumbos for me!
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magiclimber Veteran user Boulder, Colorado 315 Posts |
Yeah, I'm with dave v, after a little bit of handling mendozas and working with pf cups (and lacrosse balls) for a while, I don't think I could work with anything bigger than a tennis ball.
I plan to only use big cups for the street, but I need to actually buy them first! |
Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
The difference in size of a cup that will take a tennis ball and a cup that will (usually) take a lacrosse ball is about 1/8 inch of diameter. The difference in diameter of a cup that will (allegedly) take a lacrosse ball and a cup that will take a baseball is about 3/8 of an inch of diameter. The smallest consistent jumbo cups I know of that will take a baseball are the Riser Jumbos.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
cupsandballsmagic Inner circle 2705 Posts |
BMF, how about experimenting with audiences reactions towards your reveal and timing of the loads, congruent vs uncongruent loads, 3 or 4 final loads, involving an audience member in the reveal etc. you may find that what you are looking for in terms of impact isn't the size of the loads at all....
Bri |
BMF Regular user Saint Louis 132 Posts |
Thanks, everyone, for the input. I've read quite a few good reviews of rnt2.com, so I may end up going with them. I'll have to look through the cups and balls museum to ensure that I make the best choice I can. I'm not so broke that I won't spend money on the right set, but I don't want to be in the position of needing to buy cups again for at least a year or two.
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On 2010-05-03 11:48, Bill Palmer wrote: Are you referring to Major League size baseballs? I've found baseballs in sports stores that must be for peewee or teeball that are about the size of lemons, and almost fit into the set of itty bitty cups that I currently own. Quote:
On 2010-05-03 15:41, mindyourmagic wrote: That's very sound advice, but there are a few specific ideas that I have for ending the routine that would require some nice cups. I don't feel that I need a HUGE load, but I don't want to be limited to very small loads. What I own now are some cheap practice cups that have a mouth of maybe 2". They were helpful for learning sleights and how to use combo cups, but I don't want to be restricted quite so much in terms of final loads. I also don't want to perform in public using equipment that's obviously junk. That could make for a good show, but not in my hands. Thanks again, everyone. If you've any more suggestions, feel free to toss them out. Best, Brad |
magiclimber Veteran user Boulder, Colorado 315 Posts |
The foxy 3's (combos) just came out at RNT2. You should check them out!
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
BMF wrote:
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Are you referring to Major League size baseballs? I've found baseballs in sports stores that must be for peewee or teeball that are about the size of lemons, and almost fit into the set of itty bitty cups that I currently own. I apologize for the lack of specificity. Unless otherwise specified, when I refer to a baseball, I mean a regulation 9" ball. In this case, a 9" circumference, not diameter. Most baseballs are 9" diameter balls, including your Major League balls, Little League balls, Pony League balls, and some of the low impact balls. Usually, these will have 9" printed on them somewhere. Some Pee Wee League balls are 8" in circumference, if memory serves. I have baseballs ranging from 7 1/2" in circumference to 9" in circumference in half inch increments. The smallest are called "Training baseballs." They are used to train the hand-eye coordination of batters. There are also St. Louis Corkballs, which look like baseballs, that are 6.2" and 6.3" in diameter, as well. In almost all cases, these different size balls have the size of the ball printed on them.
"The Swatter"
Founder of CODBAMMC My Chickasaw name is "Throws Money at Cups." www.cupsandballsmuseum.com |
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