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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
MagicBob has posted his really neat pocket Gospel magic trick/puzzle entitled "The Door" which uses the Bob Hill designed "Jesus" bills available from http://www.GospelMagic.com (Steve Varro/Dock Haley). This routine might also be published in an upcoming The Voice of FCM magazine. It can be viewed at http://www.MagicBob.org/TheDoor.doc It is over 14 meg in size, so it may take awhile to load on your computer if it is slow. MagicBob is also going to teach this fine effect in the 11AM Friday lecture at 2010 FCM convention.
"The Door" is a really neat trick-hard to explain here what it looks like. Basically a volunteer tightly holds a "door" flap cut into the middle of the bill with one side of the Gospel bill facing him. With the spectator holding on tightly to this "door", and the spectator not moving his fingers in any way, the magician does a few folds in the bill. When the magician unfolds the bill, the bill has now "reversed" to the other side of the bill, the "door" is now from the "inside." Wow! How is that possible? Seems totally impossible to the spectator. How does the bill reverse sides while the spectator is holding "the door" throughout without moving it? A fine Gospel routine is provided with this effect, and the spectator can receive an unprepared bill at the end as well. Check it out- I think you'll enjoy it. I am sure Steve will bring some of the bills to the convention to sell as well, he may sell a few after folks see this fine effect demonstrated at the lecture. Plus you can carry it in your billfold! MagicBob prepares his bills using a razor blade or razor knife or a very sharp scissors. He showed me "The Door" at a recent Ring 211 meeting- it fried me! Enjoy all and thanks again to MagicBob for making his brainstorm available for free. By the way, if you have any of your Gospel magic on DVD and would be willing to let us use it on a future Now That's Magic! program, please feel free to send it to me. Have a great weekend all! Roger from http://www.ChristianMagician.org or http://www.BusDebtLaw.com |
MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
Just a note on the above, on my computer a screen, a box pops up for some reason when going to look at MagicBob's instructions. It is entitled "Enter Network Password." Just instead click on the red "X" box in the upper right corner, the box will immediately disappear and MagicBob's "The Door" instructions will then come up. So you do not have to enter any "network password" or anything like that so see this free effect. Roger
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jamiedoyle Special user Lafayette, IN 619 Posts |
Love it! Downloaded it last night and made it this morning. I'm baffled...
Have you tried it with the jumbo sized bills? Would it look as good from the stage or in a larger group then close-up? Thanks for sharing! |
MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
I personally have not tried it with Jumbo bills, but see no reason why it would not work equally well. This is one of those strange puzzle effects that is not very well known that the performer can do... and not really himself understand how it technically works (I know I don't understand it exactly why this fold reverses the bill- very strange). To the spectator, it makes no logical sense. I can't wait until MagicBob demonstrates it at the 11AM Friday lecture at the 2010 FCM convention, I predict it will become an "instant" hit amongst FCMers after that. MagicBob is going to try to videotape in his basement his doing this effect (along with his Gospel routine) and then get it posted to both http://www.ChristianMagician.org and to his own web site of http://www.MagicBob.org. Glad you could enjoy it! I saw MagicBob do it several times in the last month, the spectators all immediately said "Do that again!"
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
We should credit Bob Neale for the folding technique, this looks like his Wonderland Bill (in Folding Money Fooling?). I don't know if he released it otherwise, but I have see it on other DVD's, and someone put out an alternative folding technique (Living Waters?).
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On 2010-05-19 11:37, jamiedoyle wrote: I have used a jumbo $100 (from Living Waters) when I go to street fairs. I hold it up, and it naturally gets people's attention (it looks just like a real $100, but has a gospel message around the border of the reverse). When they look I will say something like "What's in your wallet" or "Can you handle this much money", or when I start walking around to the booths themselves "Can you make change for a hundred". If they pause, I quickly invite them to hold onto the tab, and point out that Ben's face is on every hundred dollar bill, even the counterfeit ones! (they don't always get that, but it does make them focus on the fact that they are looking at the front of the bill) Then go into a short routine about how people think they can handle money well.. and quote Mt 6:19.. and point how money passes away just as the face of Ben did. I let them keep the bill, and I then ask if I can show them another trick, which will have a more direct gospel message
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John Long Inner circle New Jersey 2826 Posts |
Well, after some PM's with MagicBus, I did a search, and found the "Wonderland Bill" being taught on DVD by Nick Brown
http://www.mjmmagic.com/store/wonderland......561.html Discussions on the Café give a little more details on the effects history - Neale is part of that, but not the sole person. Look for Brad Burt's comments, he seems to know the historical development of the effect better than many. http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......orum=109 Brad credits the original topology to Neale. David Britland made some modifications, and Brown made significant improvements to the handling. John
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
Here's the skinny: I have no idea when Robert Neale (who I have never read one word of or seen any of his stuff before on DVD) came up with the "Wonderland Bill." I have never heard of this trick before until this week from John. MagicBob has never heard of him either. Do any of these materials even predate MagicBob publically doing this effect?
Background: "The Door" was pubically performed by MagicBob at the 1994 FCM convention (and Steve Varro was really impressed by it) and then was copywritten by MagicBob in 2001 after he had distributed it to many Gospel magicians for free. He came up with "The Door" as his own original idea. MagicBob is the current President of Ring 211 in Grand Rapids, one of the largest and most active Rings in the United States. He has invented countless tricks over the years, he is a very brilliant and honorable guy who does hundreds of Gospel magic shows each year. My guess is the effect is based on a very old math principle (MagicBob has several post-graduate degrees including a Ph.D from John Hopkins in engineering) which may have been independently used or "discovered" by magicians all over the world. But this I do know- MagicBob did not "borrow" The Door idea from any magic source- he came up with it all by his lonesome. He sells no product, unlike these other fellows, and there was no "ripping off" of ideas for resale or financial gain which happens constantly far too much amongst magic dealers and authors. I personally saw MagicBob perform the effect before DVDs even existed! I think this (lack of proper crediting) happens all the time in the magic world, in fact, I know it does. Several years ago a very well known lecturer claimed he had come up with an "original" idea created for his lecture--- except most of those in the room at the time had seen MagicBob do it for years! People were even glancing over at MagicBob wondering if he'd day anything. Again, MagicBob did not say peep or embarrass the guy, but great minds (and Bob is an active member of Mensa) can often (and do) think alike. So in short, sorry, no hidden discoveries here, these other guys may in fact owe MagicBob a shout out. It all is probably just a coincidence. MagicBob holds the current copywrite for the effect if that means anything. But hey, as a magician, we cannot even get in a car nowadays without first crediting who invented the wheel, gasoline, rubber, the automatic wiper system, etc.. Have a great day all, hope this does not "chill" anyone's wanting to post further information on The Café', but it certainly does damper my enthusiasm to freely share ideas a tad amongst my fellow magishes. And no, I would NEVER knowlingly publish anyone else's magic material without proper crediting or permission... and I don't sell anything either- our website is totally free. Roger (froggin' around with magic since 1965) |
Belleque New user 81 Posts |
Definitely a case of "Great Minds Think Alike". In 1986 when Terri Rogers vent/magician marketed her "StarGate" (which is the same fold using a playing card) Jim Pace (Magician and magic trick creator) showed me the effect at Callin's novelty/magic store in Porltand, OR. It was the first time I had seen it with a playing card or bill. We spent quite a bit of time cutting up every kind of paper (including bills)we could imagine to see how the trick worked in different formats. It's one of those effects that just screams for experimentation! When I got my first set of Jesus bills (not the new ones but the old design) one of the first things I did was to try out "stargate" on the bill. I taught the effect in my lectures at the Northwest Regional FCM conference several times because it is such a great effect - especially with "the door" already on the bill! A few years later I saw a version of it on http://www.professorwonder.com. He called his "Through the Door". Now we have Bob's excellent instructions too! I think it's great that an idea can be shared by so many for the cause of the gospel!
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mralincoln Loyal user If I wasn't so busy, I'd have more than 220 Posts |
Sounds like a great feat. I'm downloading as I type--can't wait to read/see it!
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Dan Bernier Inner circle Canada 2298 Posts |
It's not unusual for different people to come up with the same trick. It happens on occassions. However, I believe that the first one who markets the trick, or publishes it has first claims to it. If MagicBob originally published it before the others, then the others need to give credit to where credit is do. Or, vise versa.
With that said, I like "The Door". It's very useable, and a great way to give a message. My hat's off to MagicBob.
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
Thanks all for the comments. It's OK Kif if you take off my posting with the link to MagicBob's instruction details if you'd like for "The Door"- it is his effect, not mine. The post was being provided as a service to other Gospel magicians. MagicBob sent me a very kind email on it- he has not heard of ANY of the above before, let alone read any books or articles with the trick in it or watched it previously on DVD.
It is all coincidence, great creative magical minds do think alike I think! MagicBob came up with the effect on his own based on a common math principle (Bob has at least two post-graduate degrees including one in engineering)and can prove he was publically performing it as soon as 1994, if not earlier. He also has a copywrite on it since 2001-I doubt if anyone else does prior to that date. MagicBob does not sell anything. He is not a dealer, some who are shameless now in selling India made props that they had nothing to do with the invention of. I once saw in a well known magic shop an EXACT replica of an Abbott's Disecto (including having the exact paint scheme that Abbott's uses) that Abbott's has sold for over 40 years. Dealers at the FCM convention now sell, just as an example, "Metamorpho Spots" made by whoever nowadays, even though that particular effect was produced in Colon and demonstrated by Duke Stern to me more than 44 years ago. But most likely these effects were not even originated at Abbott's, not to mention no one currently holds a copywrite or patent on any of it. So I can't really fault the dealers either who are just trying to survive. Of course, proper credit should be given, if possible, where credit is due. Some crediting issues may no doubt be inevitable as well in the magic world and not really the "fault" of anyone. Should Jay Sankey not now be allowed to release "Ear Plugs" for profit because most of the moves on his excellent instruction DVD were first done by Goshman, Vernon, Bobo, Chavez, McBride and who knows who else who has ever worked with a set of sponge balls, chop cup, billard balls, or coins? As I saw recently in a magic magazine, when you buy a book on carpentry, the authors do not spend pape upon page crediting who invented the hammer, the nail, wood glue, the electric saw, the first to do do a "dovetail" cut, use a lathe or cut wood in a certain pattern. My hats off to guys like Levent who in his DVDs (such as on the Miser's Dream) credits just about everyone on the planet who has ever performed the trick, past or present. That is incredible. Just the same, MagicBob himself did not "borrow" his "The Door" off of any other magician and he assured me in fact he has never ever heard or seen any of these other sources before. I posted the link as a convenience of a neat Gospel effect that I actually use, and I had no knowledge of "The Door" or anything like it existing anywhere else before other than seeing MagicBob perform it for many years. Steve Varro will attest to that as well. I have not seen it in print before in a Gospel context either. So please read all the posts above, who knows how many magicians worldwide have been using "The Door" principle using cards, bills, paper, or whatever, and they all deserve credit for coming up with and using this neat idea. My hat's off to them all. With all the magic available (and exposures) on the internet, I agree we should do our best to limit the access of general magical principles to the general public. The Masked Magician begone! Joshua Jay's teaching DVD available at Barnes and Noble... not so sure... but I still enjoyed it just the same. Have a great day all, I hope to see many of you at the FCM convention, really looking forward to it this year for sure. I think I learn more at that convention for practical stuff I can actually use than at any other. Stay tuned for another installment of Now That's Magic! We recently taped a live stage show that we did aboard the Logos Hope ship. I watched the raw footage last night- looks like some real useable footage which hopefully shows the great time we had being at the Logos Hope Theatre. Psalm 67! |
Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Great idea! Thanks for sharing!
Mister Mystery
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Kif Anderson FCM forum Staff 1961 - 2012 386 Posts |
All -
The posting is acceptable. MagicBus and I had off-line conversations about this as soon as he posted it, and from that conversation (similar to what is posted above) I'm satisfied there is no issue with this posting. In the magic world there is a lot of "two minds think a like" which are "intellectual property theft" and especially as Christians we need to be the most careful of that. As the above posts are indicators, when we have concerns, we need to contact the originator of the posting and in a Christian brotherly/sisterly manner. So good job everyone...and my thanks to MagicBus for posting MagicBob's effect and routine. Bravo. ><> J Kif
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
Thanks Kif, you are one cool dude. I appreciate everyone discussing this in a good way, I am actually kinda fascinated by all this history on this one pocket effect- I do love magic history and have quite a few biographies in my library. Levent's book on Roy Benson I am currently plowing through, it is excellent.
If any of you are in the Marshall, Michigan area on Saturday, June 26, 2010, 1PM, MagicBob, Ring 211 and myself are providing a tour of The American Museum of Magic for only $3. This includes reviewing a recent display by Penn and Teller and hopefully taking a peek at some of the recently donated items from the Jay Marshall estate. We probably will meet around noon at The Stagecoach Inn nearby or at the Darkhorse for lunch first. And/or, if you are in the Wyoming, Michigan area tonight, May 24, Rafael Benatar is lecturing at 7:30PM at Brann's Restaurant on Division Avenue and then spending the rest of the evening at MagicBob's. So we are super fortunate to be a hotbed of magical happenings around here, including having FISM Grand Champion Rick Merrill originally from nearby Paw Paw as a very active member of our Ring. With long time pros like Gil Scott, first female IBM President June Horowitz, FCMer PJ Weber and Doc VanderWal also in the Ring (and actually showing up at every meeting), I am like a kid in a candy store just holding on and feeding off their wealth of magical experiences. Between all these folks, they have just about seen, heard, and read everthing. See you in July at the FCM convention- and bring me your own performance DVDs to share too (with permission to use them on Now That's Magic!). I have my own "The Door" sitting in my billfold, I love it. Show your version to MagicBob (he will be at the 2010 FCM Convention all week)- I am sure he'd love to see it or give you any pointers. I just got a new package of the regular Bob Hill bills from Steve Varro last week for handing out- thanks Steve for the very prompt service! |
MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
Back to "The Door" again, I have not really looked too closely at the other similar effects- I do not have any of the other books or lecture notes. MagicBob back in about 1996 or earlier came up independently with a 12-section bill fold using the Doc Haley bill (and not in reference to anything else he had seen before). I think the Terri Roger Star Gate trick used two playing cards and a 9-section fold, similar to the excellent one on the most recent Professor Wonder site. Anyway, I think personally MagicBob's way (2001 copyright) is unique in that regard. He does not sell "The Door"- it is free to anyone who would like to make use of it and I'm sure MagicBob has no objection to sharing the credit along with any others past or present who came up with a similar idea. I hope this trick goes into wide use- I really love it- and I'm sure MagicBob will be willing to teach it to you personally at this year's FCM convention. It will be in the 11AM Friday lecture as well- hope to see you there!
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MagicBus Inner circle Kalamazoo, Michigan 2869 Posts |
I can't wait for the Marion FCM convention this year. Is it just me?- I am really getting antsy and looking forward to kicking back and enjoying the fellowship, magic programs, music and lectures. PJ Weber told me he talked to someone that had booked him for some multiple programs that week to postpone it to the following week or the week before (I can't remember which)so he could be at the convention again this year. Thanks PJ for your commitment to the FCM- see you at the Late Late Show!
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