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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
[quote]On 2010-05-26 05:34, mindpunisher wrote:
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You said you don't get the Elman induction and by asking it seems you want to know. Buy a book its the easiest way. You might be able to hypnotise people but its what you do with it that counts and that comes with a deeper education not fishing on a forum. Why can't those managing this forum ban thick members? I said I don't get THE elman induction for f-cksakes. READ!!!!!! And stop making us laugh about the 'deeper education' quote. Finally I don't think anyone in here fishes. They normally ask open honest questions and normally receive honest and open answers...so, try to keep up. And finally finally. Someone told me today that they wanted to know the dates of your shows in Edinburgh. They said they'd read your wisdom and have told their friends. Now many of them want to see what you look like. Actually he said: "We want to see what ONE looks like".
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
"I don't GET THe Elman induction?" I just read it again. You also said "
You also said "yes I did actually know that the eyes closed was the MAIN assumption of The Elman induction". And you also got confused with another induction which leads anyone to come to the conclusion you didn't know for sure what it was and was asking for details. Maybe I am fick but you is fiker. You know the dates I sent you the flyer. |
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Paolo_1966 New user Italy 98 Posts |
The best way to learn Dave Elman's induction is to buy Gerald Kein's DVD at :
http://www.hypnosiscenter.com/hypnosis_t......kein.htm there's a DVD at $50.00 - How To Do The Dave Elman Induction......it' s great !!!!
Moro Paolo
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Nongard1 Special user 664 Posts |
I do not use the eye catalepsy either onstage or in clinical hypnosis.
Why? becasue it produces anxiety in some people. Freaks them out. I have found this response occurs in the most responisve subjects. Now, I DO use eye catalepsy as a publc demonstration of hypnosis in public places. For example when the waitress says, "Hypnotize me!" and I need a quick demo as she stands at the table. I do not use the arm drop. In todays sue happy society, I avoid physical touch. In a stage shwo with multiple people onstage, the hypnotist could only use this if the hypnotist were and octopuss. It has also been "gimmiky" to me.... I like the number count, but find autogenic responses work better so I tend to favor that approach. Ant is also correct, the Elman "Expectancy" induction is a handshake induction (orignally done by Elman with three 'puffs from my cigarett') and is different that what people usually associate with the Elman induction. Cerbone and I have a video demonstrating this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CV06qId1HCg In all I agree with MP - Elman is just an induction. Worked for him, but I try to be the best me I can be NOT the best Elman or Erickson... Richard
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mindpunisher Inner circle 6132 Posts |
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I have never had that experience. Having said that I never use eye catalepsy on stage or in therapy. In fact most of the time in therapy I just tell them to go into trance and they do without any real induction. However I do use it when working with groups or occasionally individuals if I am teaching them self hypnosis. However the best way to achieve this is by the method I wrote above. Ask them to close their eyes relax the muscles around the eyes until they can raise their eyebrows but allow their lids to remain closed. There is nothing to resist it gives you instant catalepsy and you can go on to the next part. Not only that they feel they are doing this themselves and not you the hypnotist. Try it on yourself |
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