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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
Personally, I'm glad to hear the other side of the story, regardless of whether or not I agree with it. While I am not specifically interested in performing under conditions such as these, it's nice to hear exactly how such regulations have come to be put into place.
I don't think that attacking the messenger is very productive; most of us here who have been performing for any length of time won't be interested in participating in something like this, but if there is some local talent out there that thinks this fest might be worth more than 75$ for 2 days... Well, "you buys yer' ticket and you takes yer' chances..." Either way, can we keep the level of discourse here a little higher than elsewhere in the 'Cafe? This section is one of the few that, for the most part, people seem to kinda' like each other. I'd like to see that continue.
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Tim Dowd Special user ...Making the Magic Happen! 942 Posts |
WOW $50 an hour... for only $75 fee... cheap at half the price, if it wasn't for the $2,500 air fare and $200 a night hotel I would be there in a shot... (OK I don't travel coach, which disallows me from being a real busker anyway) as I said earlier, you (Chance) are not their "punter" there will be enough takers for this to be a success (for them)... so good luck Desiree and Carl (hope you're not related to the mayor of Toledo)...
Tim
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Chance Inner circle 1385 Posts |
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On 2010-09-01 20:02, gaddy wrote: This is why I love you man! You've got more patience than me, that's for sure! My hero!!! |
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Festival-Of-The-Senses New user 3 Posts |
Sorry guys, didn't realize this was a national forum. But thanx to everyone for your input however "to the point" or abrasive some comments may be- it's good to know what people think. We're mostly focusing on local/regional folks for our festival though.
Gaddy, you have a knack for tactfully saying things while still getting your point across. I love the saying, "you can draw more flies with honey than vinegar". Kudos to your way with words. At any rate, I will be signing off now- but glad I could at least explain what the festival is trying to achieve. There is certainly more than one way to skin a cat. Our methods are simply a conglomeration of ideas and thoughts to how NW Arkansas may react to this type of festival based on the group of people we have working together at present. I will bring up some of these concerns at our next meeting and see what the others think. We have a panel discussion at the Village Art Club in two weeks. Maybe we'll make some changes- after all, we're still many months away. |
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
Unless the food vendors are asked to give all their food away for free and then pass the hat, there's no comparison to an entertainer.
Entertainers have to let everyone watch for free and then hope to get a buck. . . . . Even if the festival was in my town (meaning no additional costs) I would feel insulted having to pay to entertain. I would even be insulted to get the phone call, asking. From my perspective, it seems worse than saying, "hey, would you mind performing for free? You'd get great exposure and we'll let you work for tips?" And that's the oldest line in the book of "how to scam an entertainer and be a cheapskate". As Ulysses put it, the only thing you get from doing free gigs are offers to do more free gigs. If I pay to do this one and the word gets around that I did that.... scary. How could the festival possibly think they would be attracting anything but the worst of the worst in entertainment? I'm out! Good luck. Let us know how it goes.
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RiffRaff Special user 671 Posts |
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On 2010-09-01 22:16, Festival-Of-The-Senses wrote: From one businessman to another, let me give you some advice: Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel, why don't you model your festival after some of the more successful festivals. - Oh, and please don't invoice me for trying to help you. |
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gaddy Inner circle Agent of Chaos 3526 Posts |
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On 2010-09-01 22:53, RiffRaff wrote: Now THAT is hilarious
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Arkadia Special user Sweden, Sundsvall 866 Posts |
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On 2010-09-01 22:20, Frank Starsini wrote: Love it!
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Kondini Inner circle 3609 Posts |
Although not a Festival, I have just forked out £1000 for the priv of entertaining.
See prices for entertainers at "The Showmans Show". Mind you I hope for a return over twelve months of at least £20,000 so is that so bad ! Ken. |
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
I see exactly where Festival-of-Senses is coming from here. Raleigh features a very similar festival in which entertainers are auditioned and juried. While the hats were ultralight, the attendance is massive and I've always booked more than enough shows to make the fees worthwhile. For a busker, these festivals are most likely a waste of time and money, but for a multilevel entertainer they can be very profitable.
I paid for a space to perform at another popular area Arts festival just this past weekend. Attendance was estimated at over 80,000. I collected over 600 emails for my mail list and handed out over two full boxes of cards and brochures. On the spot my wife took bookings for two schools, one corporate event and two festivals. That's $2200.00 in bookings from a $125.00 space rental. I don't see how that can be viewed as "giving it away." I don't know about your areas, but here a large number of the folks who usually attend these festivals are people who support the arts and have the money to spend on handmade crafts and unique art. Why else would artisans come from as far away as California to sit in a tent on a 90+ degree day for 12 hours? People with money translates into art patrons and families of business owners and executives mixed in with the common folk. With the right show and promotions this means bookings. I also see this as different from working as an unpaid volunteer for a charity. Attendees at charity events are there to support the charity and could generally care less about the on-site talent. Total waste of time and effort 99.9% of the time. But, people attending an Art festival are looking for the experience of sights, sounds, smells and textures - of which we play a very important part. They're here to see YOU, not run some marathon or man a phone bank. If they like you, they'll want to bring you to their friends and clients. Now, that being said, I have refused to perform at local Kidfest events that wanted me to pay for a space and stage time. These events were paying out-of-town entertainers to attract crowds and wanted outrageous fees. The most I could expect from them would be mostly birthday party bookings and that just didn't balance. I guess, as in any advertising, you have to weigh your expected return on investment against your cost and time.
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I just got booked for an art festival where I live and they're paying me good money to do 2 short shows a day for 3 days. I like that better.
In these situations you're really just considered a vendor and are paying for a booth. In that regard, I can understand someone paying to be there. The art festival I'll be performing at, they are treating me as entertainment for the goers. I guess that's the difference. Now that I understand and can see the difference, would I have taken the gig if they would have asked me to pay and have a booth and hope for bookings? Nope. I would not.
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
I hear ya, Frank. The festival I worked last week also had paid talent on the main stage including a magician and a clown; both very talented and both very close friends. So, I had a choice to make - Compete to steal the gig from them (not an option), sit it out and lose the exposure (also not an option) or pay $125.00 for a space for my stage and promote myself to the crowd (Best available option).
If you can get paid to appear at these festivals, great! I've been a paid performer at two nearby Art festivals for 16 years now. If not, you have to weigh your options and choose the best ROI for your situation. Just sayin'...it ain't always black & white.
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
One of Ireland's biggest festivals is the Rose of Tralee. This year they ran a busking competition over the five days. All buskers could busk for two hours (five to seven) with a E100 prize each day.
So far, so good. But buskers were not allowed perform in the town at any other time, unless they paid the festival and produced public liability insurance. So the biggest festival in the country ran a five day busking competition, and didn't get a single entrant, as far as I know. Times are tough. Being asked to pay to perform is insulting.
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Brent McLeod Inner circle 1792 Posts |
As someone who performs Professionally in festivals & stage
I perform in many festivals all over the country & never have I been asked to pay to attend As Frank said earlier which I agree- Im always paid Entertainer to entertain the large crowds that come & spend the money at the booths which pay a small fee but having entertainers make the day longer for people to hang around have fun & spend works both ways for all at the events Markets & Festivals are so different I also attend many of the larger markets here in the summer, 12,000 people in 4 hrs-cost is $15 for me to set up a table or 2 & pitch Svengalis & perform magic-I make good money doing this & the costs are very reasonable as you see Even the huge city buskerfest which Im involved with pays for the perfomers to be here with flights & accomodation etc but they collect there own large hats for 4 days 4 shows a day Getting the topic here we are talking about festival off the ground & running over a few years is the key but don't shortchange the performers-Even Covent Garden is just a waiting List your name is on....- For $75to even attend- Id want a pitch in the main area with a huge crowd watching & I pocket every cent from the 2 shows a day Ill do there with the organisers blessing......... better still hire Gazzo......................... Cheers |
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