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Tim11138 New user 14 Posts |
Can the Stack of Boxes Illusion vanish someone, instead making someone appear.
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makeupguy Inner circle 1411 Posts |
Sure.. but it's more likely to point to the method.. because at the end of the effect.. there's only one place the assisant can be.. and you can't really show it empty.. unless you build a doll house type of BA into it.. but if you can do that.. your boxes and B#$@ is way too big.
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Tim11138 New user 14 Posts |
OK Thanks
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Eldon Inner circle Virden, IL 1137 Posts |
Years ago I did a "Wizard Of Oz" skit in my show. We produced the Scarecrow from a stack of boxes and later on we threw water on the Witch. She backed into the Stack Of Boxes and melted into nothing one box at a time until the only thing left was her clothes. Looking back I'm sure it probably revealed the method but we sure did get a lot of applause.
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Tim11138 New user 14 Posts |
Thanks a lot I think my routine will work
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
Depending on the stage lighting, the lower box could be opened quickly a la Mismade and using BA, and spun off stage.
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
I think that if you make a door on the the back with black art you will be able to do what blair said above. Alsmost like a bammo box front window. Good luck to you and that is what magic is all about, creative thinking. We would love to see it when you perform it.
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Tim11138 New user 14 Posts |
Thanks Guys
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Chezaday Inner circle Naperville, IL 1673 Posts |
The Stack of Boxes wasn't designed as a vanish .. it won't be effective at all. I would look for something else .. it all really depends on the budget you're working with. If you have no budget, look into an effect using Black Art. I believe Abbott's sell's a simple plan for a Girl Vanish that uses a small frame work about 18" off the ground. This would be an easy project to make.
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vj022 Regular user 170 Posts |
I actually have a comedy routine that the stack of boxes can be used with, using it as a vanish and an appearance. If interested, please send me a private message here.
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flight10 New user 70 Posts |
In its original state a stack of boxes are not powerful enough to convince todays audience that the person has vanished. However, use the blamo b**** a** in the main box, work your routine to show the boxes empty and then unstack. This would be a kicker. There are a lot of vanishes on the market and to try and suggest one will depend on your budget, venue, etc.
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Tim11138 New user 14 Posts |
Well what I was planning on doing was doing was using myself and I will put a mask on and then switch with a double, behind the table that the boxes are on. ( we are wearing masks and same outfit) and then the boxes are taken of the table( which you cant see behind) by the double and then the table gets rolled away then the double gets in and vanishes from boxes then the real me "appears" in the audience and takes the mask off to reveal it is actually me. What do you think now?
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Frank Simpson Special user SW Montana 883 Posts |
For a double-exchange you need a really great initial effect, and then the exchange is the kicker. In my opinion, the above-mentioned presentation would be tepid at best and not worthy of a kicker. You really need a strong "wow" moment before revealing a switch, and stack is not going to give you that reaction, especially in reverse. Honestly I think you can come up with a much better idea.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2010-12-24 20:52, Tim11138 wrote: With some more thought, this might be moving in the right direction. It has already been suggested to modify the one box for BA. Going an alternate route, there is an older illusion design with a single box that splays open at the end to reveal a vanish (think a bizarre hybrid between a doll house and a girl without a middle). When open, this method hides depth very well, along with eliminating the main concerns about using this stack of boxes as a vanish. By redesigning the bottom box to operate as this illusion does, the other two or three above can be added to give the extra cover needed for the switch you speak of. The stack can then be used for something like a Mismade initially, with a vanish instead of a restoration. The reappearance in the audience would only be as effective as the belief the audience has that you are truly gone from the box. You still can't leave them to assume there is a possibility for someone to be hiding inside the one box. This idea seems to need that extra level of conviction. The main concern with this reversing of the effect with this (or in fact most any) illusion, is that it is usually easier to pull off a production than a vanish. Simply reversing the process is not always going to take care of certain issues. Because the audience does not know what to expect in a production, they are not looking for a hidden assistant prior to the effect. After a vanish, they are looking to find where that assistant (or you) went. A vanish has different psychological dynamics, and therefore requires a different arrangement of validators. To leave them with one single solution left, such as where they are likely to place suspicion, and then destroy that possibility, the reappearance in the audience would come as quite a surprise. The key points... they have to be convinced that you are in the box(es). Then, they have to be convinced you are not. Then, they have to believe it is actually you in a new location. The less time between these points, the more unlikely the possibility of the effect will be, and the more magical it will appear.
~michael baker
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Tim11138 New user 14 Posts |
Thanks
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Illucifer Inner circle 1403 Posts |
To see a really nicely choreographed vanish using a Stack of Boxes, check out Missy Elliot's performance of it on an MTV awards show last year (or possibly the year before). The apparatus belongs to Franz Harary, who consulted for her.
It's all in the reflexes.
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makeupguy Inner circle 1411 Posts |
OK... since I started the conversation about some of the reasons why you couldn't use it as a vanish.. I'm going to suggest a solution.
Build TWO bottom boxes.. As you take the boxes apart.. move the stack around.. after the last box.. gob ack to the first one to show it empty... using that as a mis-direction.. have someone switch the original bottom box with a legit empty one.. at the last box.. push it dramatically toward the center of the stage... make your switch and go back to it to show it empty... and reveal your switch. I can't imagine with even BASIC lighting cues that this woudn't turn what could be a mediocre trick into something special |
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