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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts 
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On 2011-01-08 21:42, LBP MAGIC wrote: LOL! I am not in Utah. My name was made by my 5 year old and I can't change it. She meant to write "by dad" unfortunately the 'U' is right by the 'Y' and now I am stuck with it. Believe me I am the opposite of those that go to BYU. LOL! Quote:
On 2011-01-08 22:04, seadog93 wrote: Good luck on your resolutions. I wish you a very properous year. Patrick |
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LBP MAGIC Veteran user 374 Posts
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Classic. Kids you just have to love them. Well with a story like that you shouldn't change the name, but if I am not mistaken you can request a name change to a moderator and they can change it? I've seen others here change their names.
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts
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Sweet. I will do that. thanks for the info.
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts
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It's always the amateurs who undercut the professionals. It's true in pretty much all walks of life...not just magic.
In Mystery,
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Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts
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On 2011-01-08 23:33, Christopher Lyle wrote: LOL! Do you shop at WalMart? They do the same thing. You don't have to. You can go to Kohls or other stores. This is the same as the paying public. There are many choices out there in all walks of life. I have stated my reasons and I can sleep well at night with it. Chris, Do you really think that you are getting shows stolen from you? You are too good to worry about amateurs. Good luck to you my friend. Next time I am in Dallas I will contact you. We can get a beer. Patrick |
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Christopher Lyle Inner circle Dallas, Texas 5698 Posts
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On 2011-01-09 01:01, BYUDAD wrote: No...I don't think that I'm getting anything stolen from me. I was making a generalized statement.
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Cheshire Cat Special user Wilmslow, UK 941 Posts
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A view from England now.
It is around 7 am Sunday morning here. Yesterday and today we have bookings that convert to just over $233 USD (two hour parties / breaking after 45 minutes whilst the kids eat). We 've been doing these since Jimmy Carter was your President and before Margaret Thatcher was our Prime Minister! Now if we'd had been able to raise our fees on an annual basis from what we charged way back then we would be on around $342 a session now. But so many people came into the business in those subsequent years and so many were prepared to just charge what they were "comfortable" with. Or they initially started "cheap" and then found they had trapped themselves into a never ending circle of cheapness. The same Customers can be sustained to a certain degree over the years (i.e. big families that keep coming back), but new business would never, ever pay this amount of money. Simple Market Forces have dictated what we can sustain a steady flow of business with, - what fees are acceptable. If anyone who was a really good entertainer came into our area and started undercutting us considerably we'd be scratching our heads and wondering if they had all their slates present on their roof!! (if they were nuts) however. Tony |
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts
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There will always be "prop kids" and there will always be "Simply GREAT Part Time Magicians." To be utterly blunt: some of the finest magic I have seen came from people who didn't do it for a living...they just did it for the love of it.
In my neck of the woods there are a LOT of low-priced performers. It's been my experience that some parents, who are looking to simply book "somebody" for the kids show make their decisions based on price alone. And that's their choice. They have no terms of reference. A kid in blue jeans is the same as David Ginn as far as they are concerned. Yes. As someone who makes his living with magic, I know I've lost some sales. After all -- I do birthdays for $225, and there's someone else doing them for $75. Who do you think the dad is gonna chose? On the other hand, though: how does it profit me to look over my shoulder at the other performers competing for the show? I am never going to lower my price to those levels -- so what purpose does worrying about them serve? Nada. It's a waste of time and energy. I've often thought too many entertainers (not just magicians) spend too much time focussed on what the other guy is doing. Who cares? I prefer to work on my own act...make it better and better. That's my job. Not worrying about the other guy. David
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears. Bears will kill you.
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wizardpa Inner circle The New Orleans area 1011 Posts
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It's the guy who does a $50 show and charges $200 that I don't like. Even though he might be somewhat entertaining, people that might have considered hiring a magician don't hire one after seeing their show. There are several magicians in my area like this. I've had numerous people come up to me after my show and told me they saw so and so and I'm so much better.
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Red Shadow  Inner circle 1788 Posts
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You think that's cheap - there is a couple down my road that do full clown shows, in full makeup (both of them) that go out at £40.
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Angio333 Regular user 130 Posts
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I would bet its young guy just starting out. $50 for an hours worth of work may seem like a lot to him, especially if he is use to earn $8 or $9 an hour doing a "regular job".
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts
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On 2011-01-15 07:15, wizardpa wrote: That's a splendid attitude.
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears. Bears will kill you.
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2394 Posts
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On 2011-01-14 22:43, David Thiel wrote: That’s pretty much my attitude as well. Sure, as a smart business person it good to be aware of what’s going on, but why should I worry about it or adjust my strategy. I know what my act is worth and what I need to do to feed my family and pay my bills. More common is the magician who charges more than they’re worth because of their pride. On several occasions I found that the magicians who like to brag about how much money they make per hour or per show, are lying!
"Love is the real magic." -Doug Henning
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bsears Inner circle Cincinnati, Ohio 1040 Posts
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I have a student who charges very little because he is young and only has a few shows under his belt. $50 for his show is probably about right for what he offers and is good money for him at age 12. I'd rather magicians whose show is at the $50 level charge $50 instead of $200.
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Posted: Jan 9, 2011 03:07 am 
Just giving you a hard time Patrick. I am joking around.
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