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tegib Regular user 148 Posts |
Hello. My name is Martin and I'm new to this area of magic-cafe. I mostly do cards but I love to play around with coins.Here is a little one coin routine I've put together.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSo0y70bHdY I would really loved to hear some thoughts about the first production and that showing of the other hand empty after a retention vanish because these are the moves I came up on my own. Thanks. |
Martock New user NC, Currently in FL 35 Posts |
Nice
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
Very nice use of the jw grip but the classic palm ( hidden thumb ) did not look good
this is why I never use the classic palm ...... over all very nice routine vinny |
Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Yeah, you got the basics down decent enough I'd say to now really put more effort into polishing up the sleights/moves a bit. Several moves looked like they haven't baked real well in the oven yet. So while it's a good start, you really have to give it some work to make it really nice as there's a quite a bit more to all of this than just shooting through some moves.
First off, slow down a bit, then keep moving forward with it, and welcome to the Café.
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harry tim New user 52 Posts |
I thought it was good, deceptive and varied use of jw grip. Usually seen as a one beat vanish, but you are obviously adept at it and utilize it well. As for the production I have seen that before and even do it myself, although I have no idea where I learned it. Keep it up!
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feher Inner circle Michigan 1421 Posts |
It's a good start for sure. The first vanish you did that used the JW grip seem out of placed, there was no reason for your hands to be displayed in that unnatural position. I always cringe when I see that JW grip being used to just be used. It's a great grip/concealment when used at the right time. So be selective when using it. Now the second time you used the JW grip it was way better and justify somewhat by tapping your right hand.
There's allot to be learned about the French drop still. Once you get 50 post you can go into the secret session and see what Lawrence O has written on the move. You could always reach out to Lawrence O here on the café about it. Lawrence is always willing to share if your serious about your magic. If I have some time I'll shoot you a vid. Welcome, Keep up the great work! If you ever need anything my door is always open. You have come to the right place to learn more about coin magic, there's allot of great guys and gals that are always willing to help when needed. Tim
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mavericklancer Elite user Tustin, CA 448 Posts |
I agree with Tim on this. The JW grip is meant to be used sparingly, since the hand is put in such an awkward position. IMO, it should only be used when the hand has an excuse to be in that position (i.e. adjusting your glasses, pushing your sleeves up, holding an invisible coin, etc.). I also find that pushing your ring and pinkie fingers back when doing JW makes the hand look more tense than need be. Personally, I prefer keeping those two fingers almost parallel to the arc that the middle finger creates, but slightly elevated. It's a more natural gripping position.
The first production was alright, but you're trying to over-prove the fact that the coin isn't in your palm by making the gaps between your fingers wider than need be. It creates a somewhat unnatural look. When using Downs Palm, keep your fingers loose and natural. The second production was interesting, but again... it was an odd use of JW grip. The spider vanish looked good, as did the JW vanish after that. Especially good job on that JW vanish. You also need to work on your classic palm. Like Vinny mentions, your thumb looks very unnatural. Your left thumb is spread wide and out while you're doing David Stone's acquitment, but your right thumb is hidden behind your fingers. Your final whither vanish also looked good. Overall, great job, but be sure to work on your classic palm and natural finger positions. Another point I'd like to make is that while the Korn production is great, it shouldn't be overused. Try looking around Bobo's, Eric Jones' Metal, or Michael Rubinstein's Encyclopedia of Coin Sleights for some ideas. |
J-Mac Inner circle Ridley Park, PA 5338 Posts |
Good comments above; learn well from these guys.
Overall though, I don’t know how long you have been working with coins but this is a good sign that you're studying the sleights and learning the concepts. Excellent! You just happened to try and put a few too many into one flurry routine. Great practice though! Keep at it. BTW Tim Feher, who posted above, has a great one coin routine that explains all the sleights used in separate videos. Take a look here: http://www.vinnymarini.com/download/onecoin2.html If you can spare $10, download the package. There are five videos and Tim is a great teacher! Thanks! Jim |
tegib Regular user 148 Posts |
Thanks everyone for so many responses and great tips. I agree with everything you have said. I've made this routine just for showing you some stuff I've been working on, so that is why is structured so poorly. I agree that my classic palm looks very awkward, but I'm working on that. Just one more thing, after the second ROV that isn't a JW grip because the coin is actually pinched between the thumb and first finger from the back. Michael Vincent uses it to start his coin routine which can be found on his Rhapsodies in Silver & Other Mysteries DVD, the only difference is that I do it with only one hand. Oh and what is David Stone's acquitment, It's probably something I'm doing but just don't know the name. Looking forward to hitting 50 posts.
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mavericklancer Elite user Tustin, CA 448 Posts |
The acquitment I'm talking about is when the coin is in classic palm and you stick your hands out palm down and then stick them with the fingers pointing up. You use it at around the 0:23 mark. You use it in reverse though. You should also check out David stone's One Coin Routine. It's got an interesting use of JW grip, as well as some great routining ideas. The pinch you use from the Rhapsody in Silver (which is also from Derek Dingle's Slow Motion Coin Vanish) is very angly. Since you're only using it with one hand, you don't really have much coverage. It also doesn't seem like you have much of a reason to have the pinching grip. A JW grip might've actually worked better, to use as if you were rubbing or tapping the hand with one finger. Tapping the hand with the index and thumb fingers is a bit awkward.
Good luck on your coin magic journey =). |
feher Inner circle Michigan 1421 Posts |
Boy, I guess I should view these vids more then once before I comment....lol That wasn't a French Drop that was a Spider Vanish. and it wasn't a JW grip the second time around it was a pinch. Try and hold the coin at the tips of your first finger and thumb when doing the Spider vanish instead of holding it in spellboud or french drop position. You might like what you see. Here is a vid of my one coin routine. Check it out when you have time.
Tim http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klJBckxuMB0
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Chris W Regular user Have you seen my 176 Posts |
Tim,
I've watched that before and just watched it again. So good. It's apparently why you are who you are. Thanks! It inspires me to practice! Martin, Good stuff. I would agree with Marion about slowing it down. I was just recording some stuff last week and couldn't believe how fast I was going. After a number of takes, I mentally told myself to slow down. I felt like I was going too slow. But then I played it back and it was still abit fast. It might feel weird at first, but you'll get the right speed. Obviously, the guys above gave some great criticism. I listen to all of them and have learned so much in the last month. Great group here. ~Chris |
tegib Regular user 148 Posts |
Maverick,
Tnx for telling me what's that move and I agree that an actual JW grip would fly better in this situation. Tim, Never mind, the quality of the video is really bad so it's really hard to tell what I'm doing.I'll try to do the spider vanish from the fingertips. As for yours one coin routine:I've already watched it before but I watched it again now and it really looks like real magic. Chris, The reason I was going to fast is because my camera was going dead so I had to rush it and I agree that this is a great group. |
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