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TheGingerWizard Special user 733 Posts |
Wravyn is spot on. An opener doesn't even need to be an effect. Do you want to know what my opener is for walk around? The rubber pencil, the schoolboy trick of holding a pencil loosely by the end and shaking it to make it look like rubber. It works well with my spiel about how seeing is not necessarily believing yada yada. It also serves as unspoken justification for the pencil lead N....W....! Might not sound very exciting but it works for me!
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
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On 2011-02-18 04:49, Eshla wrote: Actually, Osterlind very often does just that. He walks onto the stage with a piece of folded paper held high above his head and asks someone to merely think of a number. Based on that fact we can now confidently say that compared to Osterlind, DW Rackley's idea is highly advanced and should totally slay them!
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Eshla Inner circle 1239 Posts |
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On 2011-02-18 12:04, bobser wrote: Does he? I'll take your word for it, as I have never seen him live. I only presumed he opened with Bank Night because of his DVD.
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
ThePhilosopher, I very much like that disclaimer. It takes “illusion” out of the picture and also eliminates the things that would concern most Christians. Thank you.
As for the protest of the one with 1100 posts, well, I was taught never to ignore anyone, not even the hecklers. Most teenagers don’t realize how little they really know, although few are as adamant about revealing it as our friend here. The opening will work (I believe) because it strikes before the audience has even become aware that it is in progress. This happens before I even say “welcome to my show”. The paper is in plain sight, but I have not called attention to it. Some will notice it, others will realize only in retrospect that it has “always been there”. The NW is very easy to f----r p--m, leaving my t---b open and in plain sight just inches from their faces. I may be new to mentalism, but not to magic, and not to getting people to look where I want them to look. Some experience is universally applicable. Bobser, thank you for that; now I’m laughing! Thank you all for reading and replying. I am learning from each of you.
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IAIN Eternal Order england 18807 Posts |
If you're worried about the bible belt crew, then maybe don't use the phrase "nothing is sacred..", may come across as too challenge orientated?
"imagine if you will that just for tonight, that we could share each others thoughts and positivity - and that mystery and entertainment will be at the forethought of our minds this evening..." my syntax is a bit out this morning, had a busy week...
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Eshla Inner circle 1239 Posts |
Iain, I just want to say that when I noticed you had replied to me, I immediately thought it would be a very... shall we say... 'direct' post. However you pleasently suprised me and gave a really good post. Very constructive, so thank you for being like that.
I still disagree, not because I believe a s***I is a BAD opener persay, but I think it fools (for example) 95% of the people for 95% of the time. There are other openers, which I prefer, such as John Archers Blank Night, which fool 99.99% of laymen 99.99% of the time. It is just my personal taste which means I dislike using such a simple method. I am a big believer in multiple layers of methods. That's all. I wish DW the best of luck, and I expect his show to go well. xx P.S Sorry for my mistake about Osterlind's show. I had read that he opens with a Bank Night, and presumed too much. My mistake
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Eshla in all fairness to you I had also read and heard Osterlind say that he (sometimes) opens with Banknight.
Here's the main point however; I think it's important to dump thinking about 'opening with a swami'. That's mentalism think. We have to move to 'audience think'. And in 'audience think' there is no such thing as opening with a swami. Remember; it's NEVER the method in 'audience think', it's always the effect/prestige. So.... Osterlind has never opened with a swami, rather he has opened by walking onto a stage with a folded paper held high above his head etc etc etc. And the reason WHY is because it absolutely gets great response from his audience, end of. Having said that (LOL) I actually agree with you in so much as I simply don't fancy that as an opener either. But then again neither did I like John Archer's Bank Night, which for me is a bit too magicky. Penn: "I saw him looking down there quite a bit, I think he was maybe....." and Penn goes on to say what he thinks etc. That simply CANNOT happen in Osterlind's method albeit we've had this discussion before and you wouldn't listen back then either so........ For what it's worth Eshla many in here seem to tell you over and over again that you just don't listen. Do you think you can change? 'Because if you can change, and I can change, then we all can change!!!!! Adrian, I love yooooooooooo.......!!!!' Bob (hey, it's the weekend)
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tboehnlein Inner circle ohio 1787 Posts |
"Does he? I'll take your word for it, as I have never seen him live. I only presumed he opened with Bank Night because of his DVD." this one statement says it all
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Eshla Inner circle 1239 Posts |
I see your point bobster, about thinking from audiences perspective. I suppose I must consider that more often than I do.
I still believe Blank Night is the more deceptive method, maybe the handeling just needs to be gotten down so that the performer need to look anymore? It is somewhat academic however. But there is room in the world for both methods/presentations.
I come from the future to culture you poor sods with fire.
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bobser Inner circle 4178 Posts |
Eshla, you're a good lad. The others will eventually love you.
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Dick Christian Inner circle Northern Virginia (Metro DC) 2619 Posts |
Eshla,
First let me assure you (and others who read this) that I am NOT trying to pick a fight with you. However, I have been following your posts since you first subscribed to the Café and now that you are increasingly passing yourself off as an expert in all and everything having to do with mentalism, in order to assess your credibility, I feel obliged to ask just how often you perform PROFESSIONALLY (i.e., for pay and for other than friends and family). Are your performances primarily impromptu or one-on-one or in platform/cabaret/stage situations? Just curious (and I suspect that I am not the only one).
Dick Christian
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
AGREED! I was a teen once (when I first started working in a magic shop!) I was pretty bright, caught on quickly, and people were impressed when I performed. When I “auditioned” for the magic club (we had to do that in the “old days”) several of the old guys came around to tell me that “that one move” was really great. I was very proud.
But I never got the idea that there wasn’t something more that I could learn. Those old guys had something I didn’t: experience. There really is no substitute. Eshla (and Shrubsole, too), I’m not ragging on you, just speaking from my heart. Imagine that you walked into a job interview, something bigger than Grocery Bagger, something responsible, something that impacts a lot of people. Then you sit down in front of that big impressive desk and start talking. If you told them, for example, “No, I don’t have a lot of experience, but I’m smarter than half the guys you already have working for you”, what do you think the reaction would be? If they were VERY polite, they might terminate the interview quickly and get on with the next candidate. When I see the word (often in caps) RESPECT, I don’t think of it in terms of how long someone has been performing; it’s not a scale of tenure. I want to see a number of things, including how SUCCESSFUL someone has been, both in Business AND in entertaining audiences. Remember, this IS a business; I’m not content to keep it confined to my buddies at the playground. Amateurs are great; their ranks are where Pros come from. But I’m looking for a way up, and this debate does nothing to help anyone, and only harms your own credibility. Do you have something real to contribute? I’m quite sure that you do. Should you be lecturing people who are actually “in the trenches” about what works under fire? Possibly not. The methods (at least for purposes of this thread) are not in question. I have found something that works effectively for me, which should be the goal of any performer, yes? My request was for advice on the script, the patter if you will, to make it concise, compelling, and easy to draw my audience (whom I know better than anyone) into my world. I have received many suggestions, both here and by PM, and I am grateful for all of them, and considering the implications of many. I have thirteen days to close up all the loose ends, including tablecloths, entering and exiting the venue, handling interruptions from servers or bussers, and whether or not this has the potential for actually paying for itself on a regular basis. But my CHIEF concern is for what my audience experiences during that very brief window of time that they are in my care. Can you help me with that? Without moaning about “sycophantic hero worship” or railing against methods that DO work for someone else? I’d appreciate it. Seriously.
...what if I could read your mind?
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Eshla Inner circle 1239 Posts |
I must hold a fundamental disagreement with you dear DWrackley. You see, the best magician I ever met was a step-uncle of mine. He passed away recently, but he had the best card moves I never saw (and I NEVER saw them). My point is, he never was professional. When I asked he said he'd never even done a party. He just wasn't a good buisness man like that. He worked in an officer (doing what I don't know) and he liked that too, he was good there I'd imagine.
Ohhh I am sorry my dear sir. I seem to have caused you annoyance; and I did not mean to. It should have occured to me that you wanted help with presentation, not methods - but as ever my mind went straight to the methodologies. Such a magicians mind I have; always with the secrets! All I can say is, I'm sorry. I must try and learn from this mistake. Good luck with your show sir Tom xx
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
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On 2011-02-19 14:28, Eshla wrote: My first teacher/mentor/boss was a crotchety old man who was very nearly impossible to work with. I may have become him. He also had a heart of gold which appeared on rare and delightful occasions when it meant something really important. I hope to one day develop that as well. Quote:
…the best magician I ever met… never was professional… I stand corrected. There are many very talented people who do not charge for keeping others entertained. I have seen some paid professionals who do not measure up to the quality of performance of some very good amateurs. My list of goals does include financial benchmarks, and that factors into some advancements. When a hobby is able to pay for its own upkeep, that is (in my assessment only) a preferable situation. To that end (and beyond) I include monetary potential as an objective. I have been fortunate to have had jobs that I truly loved. While I haven’t “punched a time clock” for more than a decade, I still place job satisfaction as an essential of life. Private note: You’re not stupid. I don’t believe anyone here thinks that. Perhaps discretion might include considering whether your ideas cover EVERY situation, or whether someone with more experience might have understanding you don’t (yet) possess. If you lack knowledge in some area, it’s not a sign of weakness, it’s only a sign that there’s something you haven’t learned. We’re all here to discover. Be honest about where you are, and help will be forthcoming. Good luck to you, Eshla.
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Reuben Dunn Inner circle Has a purple ribbon wraped around my 1592 Posts |
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On 2011-02-19 20:01, DWRackley wrote: To use an expression I learned while living in the UK: "I think he's taking the P**S out of you sir. I'd be interested in hearing what your final opening is going to end up as. Best of luck to you and your show. I hope it works out for you the way you want. |
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
Twenty four hours to go. I’m nervous (in a good way). The opening line will play as per the OP. The disclaimer has been altered a few times. Ultimately, I know I’ll “wing it”, going with what seems right at the moment. I have a few options in mind, but what will come out will probably be a mixture as yet unknown to me.
Thanks to all for your regards! Later…
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
Show One is now history...
Didn't want to post this in the open forum, so... http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=82&0 Thanks to all who encouraged!
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