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truesoldier Inner circle 1191 Posts |
Hi Guys,
I was just wondering when doing the silk vanish (using a TT), is it really important to bring the silk back after you have made the vanish? Personally, I have never liked the reappearance from bill / bank note. (For some reason, it just has never made sense to me.) I know there are other ways to bring it back, but I guess I'm asking if you think your spectators would be more impressed if you just vanished it, or do you think there needs to be that conclusion of the reappearance in order to get the best reactions? Please share your thoughts, as I'd really be interested in hearing what you have to say on the matter. Many Thanks |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
To me, the real reason in close up magic the silk is brought back is because you will need to repeat the trick at the next table. (Just as you do when doing Walk-Around Silk to Egg.)
In my stage show you will see that I do Knots-Off Silk with a 36" silk. With that silk I also produce a dove. Next I (barehandedly without a pull) vanish the silk via what other magicians would swear is TT. On stage I do not bring it back because the real purpose is to get it out of my hands so I can move on to the next effect. However, I could easily reproduce the silk without a problem. But it defeats my purpose for vanishing the silk. I'm through with it! So in reality, I do both! The show routine governs which is done. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
There can be arguments made that an appearance is better than a disappearance, or that a disappearance needs to be resolved, but I think it depends on the circumstance. I don't think a simple silk vanish needs to have a reappearance, but it can be quite powerful if you reproduce the silk from a spectator's dollar, pocket, sleeve, whatever. You're also more easily re-set if you do both, whether it be a vanish and reappearance or a production and vanish.
But ultimately, if you don't want to do it, don't do it.
Michael J.
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Michael J. Douglas Inner circle WV, USA 1645 Posts |
Bob, ya beat me to it!
Michael J.
�Believe then, if you please, that I can do strange things.� --from Shakespeare�s �As You Like It� |
truesoldier Inner circle 1191 Posts |
Thanks for your response guys, it's really appreciated as you both make some very valued points.
As suggested by another Café member, how about the opposite way around e.g an appearance first and then a disappearance. You would be instantly reset for the next group of people. Anyone tried this? I know that sometimes you can only learn what works for you once you try it, however I was just wondering what other experiences have been like. Thanks As Always |
Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
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On 2011-03-08 06:58, truesoldier wrote: LOL! My wife Lucy does this. She first makes an 18" silk appear (from which she gets a glass of wine). Appearance before vanish is her sequence here. Bob Sanders Magic By Sander |
Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
I think is satisfies your audience to bring the silk back, but why stop there. There is a great little tube trick called the Goblin Tube,www.morrisseymagic.com Have the silk finale produced from the tube. It makes it more interesting and a complete trick.
So many, me included, when in magic look for the vanishing silk, coin, pen, etc. To laymen that is only part of a trick, for magicians it is a trick. Look to make your magic entertaining and complete routines. Not just a vanish, and keep them guessing. Some people hound you till you bring it back, then you look like the bad guy. Like you were hold out on the spectators. Also work on your showmanship in presentation of this classic trick. Try to make it as natural as you can, like it is an everyday handling for you to do. I have seen hundreds of people do the trick poorly, and only a few that make it look magical. |
Rainboguy Inner circle 1915 Posts |
When I met The Professor, Dai Vernon, at the Faucett Ross Magic fest and stayed up all night two nights in a row with him talking magic, he gave me a very WISE piece of magical advice.
The Professor told me, "When you vanish something, NEVER, EVER bring it back. It drives people crazy." And he was right. Just my 2 cents worth. |
Leland Inner circle St Louis 1180 Posts |
Wow, tough choice, bring it back or not? I'm going to try both next time and see what the audience thinks. If they ask where did it go?, I'll make it re-appear. It will be interesting to see what they think.
Life of Magic!
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
When I'm doing the colorchanging silk as a "sucker effect", the audience see both handkerchiefs at the same time and then I make them both vanish together.
I never got someone from the audience asking me where they went. Oliver. |
brian314 Regular user Michigan 112 Posts |
Trusoldier,
The comedian Bob Hope used to start his stand-up routine with a joke where he would have to explain the punch line, and then repeat it throughout the show. That gave me the idea where I use the TT to vanish a silk, then throughout my routine it makes a appearance. Inside a deck of cards or whatever else I happen to have and I continue to vanish it when it appears. After the last vanish as I leave the stage the silk is seen stuck to my back. just my take on it. brian |
Dougini Inner circle The Beautiful State Of Maine 7130 Posts |
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On 2011-03-08 18:04, Oliver Ross wrote: Ya know, you reminded me of something someone said to me recently. I carry a small red silk and TT with me regularly, and once, when I did the vanishing silk, an old timer asked me in the best Maine accent, why I carry a red silk around. I told him, "It's so I can make it disappear!" His reply? (Maine accent) "Well, then! If ya didn't carry it WITH ya, you wouldn't HAVE to!" ROFL! Doug Posted: Mar 31, 2011 5:47pm Hi again! Just wanted to share this: Last night, sitting here in the homeless shelter, a group of men, women and some kids crowded around to watch me practice my magic, and I decided to show them the vanishing silk. Yes, I brought it back. I had one of the kids take off her jacket, and pulled the little red silk out. I ended up doing a half hour of non-stop magic for them and made their night! It's the first time in more than a year I've really performed like that for anyone, and the feeling...OMG...how can I describe it? The laughter, the smiling faces! Yes, I've lost everything I ever had, but last night, I realized what is really important! The magic is REAL! A little silk and a TT started it! Remember, it's not what you have that's important...the magic is inside you! Share it! We all could be in this predicament at any time! I am thankful I shared the magic last night! And my journey continues.... Doug |
solrak29 Special user NY Metro 936 Posts |
I perform this two ways; and its all about pocket management and reset for me.
The first way, I make the silk appear from a bill at the end of my set. I then wrap the silk up and put it in my pocket. The next set will produce the silk (from being rolled up) and then vanished. The vanish is to reset for the first set's appearance. I get good reactions for both cases as I don't do the classic vanishing silk routine/moves as most of the people I've performed for sometimes know of the method. In the stuff, I am doing above there is no thought of that method; though, they will say I do a trick with red hank and a ....or they have a trick with a hank and a...
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mtpascoe Inner circle 1932 Posts |
It's funny about the comment about people knowing the method. I use to do this trick about a hundred times a day at a magic shop. Once I dropped a delite and the audience saw it. The problem was that the next trick was going to be the Vanishing Silk. If I picked the Delite up and put it back into the pocket and proceeded with the to do the Vanishing Silk, it would not have taken them long to figure out how the silk hanky disappeared. But, because I made a joke of it and kept it on the counter, it didn't occur to them that I had a second TT.
A few times I did this to people that knew about the TT. I acknowledge that's how most magicians would do it, but not me. Even with that knowledge, I still fooled them. They had no idea I used the same method. A few times when the audience was in the know, I'd take out the TT on the table and just did a sleight of hand version from Rice's Silk book and they could not explain it. To answer the other question, I use the silk as a pocket hanky. I carry it in my breast pocket and make sure it matches my suit. Then I pull it out and make it disappear. When I make it reappear, I pull it out of the breast pocket and leave the TT there. This way I am clean. |
solrak29 Special user NY Metro 936 Posts |
@mtpascoe, great approach and thanks for reference to Rice. I have similiar
situations where parents have said, "yeah, she has that trick at home with the thumb, but you do it really good..." and I've responded, "...that because I don't use the thumb" and then do the removing the thumb routine. This gets a laugh. I also think a lot of times even though they have have the effect at home; they simply don't know how to effectively use it. Which is where we come in... Does anyone actually do the silk to dollar dissapearance or dollar producing the silk?
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mtpascoe Inner circle 1932 Posts |
I've done the Vanish and have it reappear from the dollar, but it's not my method of reproduction. I don't know about anyone else, but I find it awkward to retrieve the TT after the production. Of course, they are not aware of a gimmick, so there is no heat. The misdirection could be when you unravel the dollar, you stick you thumb into the TT and retrieve it.
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solrak29 Special user NY Metro 936 Posts |
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On 2011-06-13 16:34, mtpascoe wrote: Same here, I definately prefer to make it vanish in the dollar versus the production. But does anyone do anything after that the production of the silk? Like use the silk for something? I always feel awkward in not knowing what to do with the silk ( I have some ideas) except for say doing the hanky/blowing the nose gag... Any more thoughts?
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mtpascoe Inner circle 1932 Posts |
Here is my exact patter, "Most people ask me if this is a hanky for showing or blowing. I say it's for showing and I'm going to show you some magic. I'm going to make this handkerchief disappear. Now, most magicians won't tell you that ahead of time, but I want you to watch very closely."
After the silk vanishes, I brush my hands together as if I am done. Then I look at the audience, "Oh, and the hanky... it went right back to the pocket." I pull out of my breast pocket. Show it, then put it right back into the breast pocket where pocket handkerchiefs suppose to go. "Pretty *** amazing?" I say the line, "I want you to watch very closely" way after I have stolen the TT, but I am still supposedly tucking it into my fist. I even point my thumb at them when I say that line. |
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