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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
I bet you guys have heard this before. Here it is again:
1) I very much appreciate the work you've done to create and maintain this site. It is a very valuable resource. Seriously. 2) I am a comedy magician. I DO understand "Now That's Funny" is supposed to be a discussion forum for comedy magicians. It's not. It's just place for never ending joke threads. While I understand that this can be very funny, and that many members really seem to enjoy it, I'd plead with you guys to create a NEW room set aside for those of us who want to talk about comedy magic -- not make jokes. I've pretty much quit going there because there's nothing there for me. Many of we comedy performers are actually very serious about what we do and going to this room is kind of like trying to have a grown-up discussion while Goofy makes hay-yucking noises in the background. I DO understand this is your sandbox and I am honored to be here. But please consider this, okay? You need a new room. Thank you David
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
David, my proposal was something different: to make a separate forum (where posts do not count) exclusively for joke games. There is obviously a desire to make these jokes, or there wouldn't be so many threads. I used to play along myself, until a "staff member" locked all the threads (i.e., took our ball away), so I just stopped going to that forum, because playing those games was exactly what I wanted to do. I am NOT a comedy magician, and I am not even funny.
But I made the proposal a couple of years ago, so obviously the management doesn't think it's a good one. I can accept this. But it's background information that you are not necessarily aware of. |
Nala Nosmoht Special user Surrey,B.C. Canada, 641 Posts |
David, I wholeheartedly agree, I also perform (some) comedy, but discovered long ago that there is nothing
much of substance on that forum,and gave up visiting it long ago. Nala |
Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
Ditto...
How you leave others feeling after an Experience with you becomes your Trademark.
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calvan New user 8 Posts |
I agree I was hoping when I when there that it would be talk about comedy magic but all it was is silly jokes this can be ok but not when you want to talk about comedy magic I am new here but not new to magic have been doing this over 15 years and having a lot of fun
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Fellow members,
As I said, this topic has been raised many times. Here's what I proposed in 2008: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......forum=40 But just browsing very quickly through the topics in this forum, I found these: http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=40&5 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=40&1 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......um=40&15 http://www.themagiccafe.com/forums/viewt......rum=40&4 Again, I only intend this as background information. I support your cause. |
Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
Funny magicians are born funny. You can't get funny out of a cook book. This whole thread is funny to me.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
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Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
True - Funny people are born funny, but one can improve their natural comedic skill. There is a science to comedy and different techniques enhance the experience for the comedian as well as the audience. So, while one may not be able to learn how to be funny out of a cook book, a natural can certainly become a gourmet specialist with one. These topics are what I would like to see covered in a Comedy Magic section.
How you leave others feeling after an Experience with you becomes your Trademark.
Magic Youth Raleigh - RaleighMagicClub.org |
Larry Bean Inner circle I'm digging enough holes for 2016 Posts |
There have been many serious threads started in the "Now That's Funny" room here at the Café. Any member at anytime can start another thread there (as long as he/she abides by Café guidelines). People that are serious about comedy can respond all they want, and if enough people are responding the threads will stay near the top. Typically they don't stay near the top for at least two reasons: One, it typically takes longer to respond to a serious thread than to one of the game threads and Two, in the past a smaller amount of people actually participated in the serious comedy threads.
The reality is that you have a forum that will host your discussion of serious comedy magic for free. Is it really and truly that hard to scroll just a little to get back to your serious discussion of comedy? If I had in my neighborhood a brick and mortar magic store that sold novelties and costumes as well as magic, would I refuse to look at the magic because I had to wade through a bunch of novelties? I wouldn't refuse. Just my 2 cents for what its worth. |
hoodrat Veteran user Southern California 388 Posts |
I never visit the "Now That's Funny" forum. But after reading this topic, I thought I'd check it out. Yep, seems like there is a lot of joke threads and related stuff. One of the joke threads has 234 pages of posts! Does the search engine have to search through all of those meaningless joke posts when someone is legitimately trying to search for practical information? Perhaps the "joke threads" (there are several in the "Not Magical, But..." forum, too) could be excluded from searches so that the search engine can run more efficiently. I see no reason for the search engine to have to search through hundreds of limericks and knock-knock jokes, etc. when someone is looking for information on David Copperfield, or looking for the latest review of a Tenyo product, or trying to find information on various card shuffles, etc.. It seemed that the enormous number of posts on the Café in its entirety that the search engine had to search through is what was slowing it down in the first place. By exluding the nonsense joke threads and other inane threads, perhaps the engine wouldn't be so swamped and bogged down. And then we could get back to the "Search ALL Forums" again. If that doesn't work, what about capping the "joke threads" to ten pages or something? After all, does anybody really have the time to sit down and read through 234 pages of limericks on the Magic Café? Or wait while the search engine does it for them? If they do, they had better not be the people who were complaining abou the 2-minute wait inbetween searches that was in effect a while ago!
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Al Angello Eternal Order Collegeville, Pa. USA 11045 Posts |
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The last time I was in a comedy magic competition I was the only one competing that actually did a comedy magic monologue. Everybody else did a regular magic routines with a few puns (I did not win of course). I just feel that very few people here have the basic tools to understand what it means to be a funny magic.
Al Angello The Comic Juggler/Magician
http://www.juggleral.com http://home.comcast.net/~juggleral/ "Footprints on your ceiling are almost gone" |
Skip Way Inner circle 3771 Posts |
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On 2011-03-13 11:55, Al Angello wrote: Fair enough, Al. So, wouldn't sharing our understanding of and experience in improving these basic tools be far better served as instructional threads in the Comedy Magic section? The useful threads were there in the beginning - buried beneath tons of ridiculous word games and mindless chatter. It became such a pain to search for the gems through the trash that those of us who cared, like you, David, Stone, Nala and Calvan simply abandoned the section altogether. Let's use your example. Like you, I believe that the use of time-worn one-liners and puns by magicians seriously reduces our professional image as a whole. It's something that you would never see from serious working comics - and only once or twice from a comic-wannabe as he'd be thrown off the stage and shunned. That concept alone could father a dozen productive threads that would benefit those magicians who lack the basic tools - if they weren't constantly buried by hundreds of pages of game blather. If the game players enjoy their endless chatter and Steve doesn't mind surrendering bandwidth to this foolishness, then create a word play section. Leave Comedy Magic to those of us who care and thrive on the serious business of laughter. Just sayin'...
How you leave others feeling after an Experience with you becomes your Trademark.
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
I spend a lot of time and effort at being funny. I'd really like to talk about ideas and developments with other comedy performers. And actually it DOES make a difference to me if the topic is surrounded by a bunch of other threads that are the equivalent of guys making rude noises and snorting laughter.
I don't begrudge them a single post. They're having fun -- and more power to them! I'd just like a place where we could talk about comedy magic with comedy magicians. Few performers actually know what comedy magic actually IS... David
Whatever doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Except bears. Bears will kill you.
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TommyJ Inner circle Foxboro, MA 1750 Posts |
Great idea. I'm all for it. I would love to share my ideas on comedy magic and learn some new ones. Two separate threads would be perfect. I too, have stopped going to this thread a long time ago.
"Keep the Kids Laughing!"
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SundayForever 0 Posts |
I agree I was hoping when I when there that it would be talk about comedy magic but all it was is silly jokes this can be ok but not when you want to talk about comedy magic I am new here but not new to magic have been doing this over 15 years and having a lot of fun
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unclesamayen Elite user Taiwan 459 Posts |
TOTALLY AGREE!
I love comedy magic and I try my best to be one good comedy magician. I learned so many tips and some thoughts in "Now that's funny" Forum BEFORE. But now, there are just a lot of joke lines over there. It's so sad. Maybe the managers can do something to avoid this? Thank you very much. YuYen
Comedy, Mental, Busking.
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Andrew Zuber Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 3014 Posts |
I concur, fellas. I don't even visit the section anymore. Anything useful I could post would immediately be buried in the deck, never to be found again. I don't bother with it.
"I'm sorry - if you were right, I would agree with you." -Robin Williams, Awakenings
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TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
I gave up.
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edh Inner circle 4698 Posts |
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On 2011-04-19 12:32, Frank Starsini wrote: :lol: Now THAT'S funny.
Magic is a vanishing art.
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Brent McLeod Inner circle 1792 Posts |
Wasted space-overdone big time...
Likewise I gave up also... Pity as someone whose performed at comedy clubs and more Importantly corporate stage events where comedy is key.. it would be good to have some space but it gets buried as mentioned.. reading 99 percent of the jokes its no wonder many people think Magicians are lame at comedy...theres 234 pages of evidence!! |
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