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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
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On 2011-04-01 21:55, ClintonMagus wrote: With all the geniuses here at the Café? @Curt: my own position, just to repeat it in another way which might make more sense to some, is that Being is pure Reason in and of Itself, rather than the construct or assertion of human reason or mathematics. Thus it seems credible to me that mathematics is reflective and predictive of Being rather than creative of Being. But being a mathematician myself, I perhaps give too much credit to it. Maybe mathematics are just a form of conjuring. @Jon via Tom: it has always surprised me that I have not yet encountered some form of binary Hegelianism. It may be out there and I just haven't run into it. But if Being is dialectical--i.e., a synthesis of thesis and antithesis, couldn't we think of theses and ones, and antitheses as zeros, and reality as a synthesis of ones and zeros? Granted, the latter wouldn't lead to equations that can efficiently describe Being, but it's quite interesting to think about. What makes me different than most (although I sometimes think Jon is as strange as I am), is that I think these things ultimately matter. Our belief systems reflect what we think is or can be true, and our belief systems underlie how we treat others. Yes, it's a long, long path from writing on lighthouse windows to voting.... Did anyone else but me wonder why the guy thought he would be allowed to write on those windows? I mean, did he get permission from some lighthouse keeper? Or do you think some BBC producer suggested he do it? [Jeff puts on his best stand-up comedian voice:] I mean, what's up with that? |
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stoneunhinged Inner circle 3067 Posts |
Oh, and just this little disclaimer: I do not consider myself a Platonist, but a Hegelian. And I'm very poor at math. So I'm gonna go back and watch the video again and read up on the guy, lest I have just made a complete fool of myself in this thread.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Somewhere between the proofs that there is no largest number and Heisenburg's Uncertainty there's likely a simple proof that what we call reality and whatever is are distinct map/terrain matters and that while our nature may predispose or limit our models that does not necessarily offer any insight into the nature of everything.
I suspect we are just seeing another round of the "hidden variable", "embedding theorem/projection/shadows" model that gets tossed around when folks don't have any useful new data from experiments to mull over. Unfortunately the models with extra/hidden stuff tend to attract the religiously deluded who then claim that as proof of one or more gods and the budget/politics issues get heated up for a while and even less good physics gets done - all IMHO.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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