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THOR New user No. California 69 Posts |
You're such a good magician that your performance seems miraculous! You tell your audience, "It's just tricks, folks!"
Someone asks you, "Was Jesus just performing tricks, as well? Why do you think Jesus was not a magician?" And you say....... |
Bare Handed New user 50 Posts |
Excellent! I have dealt with this before. I have just done a coin vanish thats seems impossible, and now the big Q.. how did Jesus do those tricks. I say, "It's kindy like a doctor, when your very sick he gives you medicine to make you better. He has control over that. Just like I control the moves I have learned to make this look like magic. The Only difference is, If the doctor tells you he has done all he can, and there is no hope. Thats when God steps in, and when the doctor says, I can't figure out what happened but your cured. Then you will know the difference between Magic and a Miracle. Jesus uses Miracles to heal us, His power is no trick. Your friend Kirk Kokinos
You live in the world you create!
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Matt Graves Special user Huntsville, Alabama (USA) 504 Posts |
Believe it or not, I've actually encountered people who thought Jesus was a magician - and Moses too. Y'know, I think even David Copperfield would have a hard time resurrecting someone after their body had already decomposed. . . or turning a stick into a snake . . . what's the logic there?
I'm curious . . . does anyone on here believe in the televised healings like with Benny Hinn and people like that? I've always wanted to go see him for myself, but I've never got the chance. |
Steven the Amusing Regular user San Francisco Bay Area 117 Posts |
Turning sticks into snakes HAS been done... That's what Pharoah's Magi did when Aaron put down his staff. [Exodus 7:8-12]
I imagine it consisted of a snake up the sleeve [the dangerous part!] and a dissappearing cane. IMHO Re: Benny Hinn, et al... perhaps we shouldn't go there - some one will no doubt be offended and this is not the place to divide those who believe. |
Jeb Sherrill Inner circle Elsewhere 1161 Posts |
According to Gibson, the stick to snake was fairly simple and can still be found in Egypt today. There is a certain kind of snake found there that will hold itself quite rigid if you pinch it behind the neck. In low lighting, the rigid snake will look like a staff and when the pinch is released you have a snake. It's hardly usable these days, so I doubt I'm giving away any real secrets here.
Sable
I don't believe in reincarnation, but I may have in another life.
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Burt Yaroch Inner circle Dallas,TX 1097 Posts |
Awwww mannn. Now I need to rework my whole pharoah snake bit.
I don't perform "gospel" magic but I still get this question all the time. I answer it along the same tack as Kirk in explaining what makes a mirale a miracle. Turning a stick into a snake is NOT a miracle, I don't care who you are. That's just magic.
Yakworld.
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Witness4him New user 71 Posts |
So, did God teach Moses the trick first? No, it was a miracle when Moses did it. When the magicians counterfieted it, it was simply a trick. I never heard that about the type of snakes, very interesting if true. Perhaps that demonstration was for the magi's themselves. They knew how they did what did, but also knew that wasn't what Moses did. Moses was known for carrying his staff, it was something people were familiar with.
As for the question of whether Jesus was a magician or not I would mention that the miracles of Jesus where not the bulk of his ministry. It was teaching and discipline. Most of the time when crowds gathered he taught, many of the miracles were done for individuals. As mentioned, resurecting the dead, and even the one large scale miricle feeding of five thousand would be quite impossible under today's conditons. Consider biblical times (gathering of fresh bread and fresh fish to give five thousand for a trick certanly would have been discovered, the small ammount of money the desciples had, etc. They couldn't be done by trickery or any other non-miracle means, any more than Jesus could have himself born in Bethlehem (outside of being God). With an adult audience, I might mention also that although what You did might seem like a miracle, there are also many, many, similarities with a genuine 20 dollar bill and a counterfiet, but it is the diffences that will get you into trouble. Jesus was the genuine article, and what you are doing is entertainment, and you're doing it in hopes of pointing people toward Him. Just a few of my thoughts. God bless, Pete |
calamari Elite user The San Francisco Bay Area 429 Posts |
I like the way Andre Cole put it at a performance I saw him do some years ago at a church in California. he said (tongue in cheek) we magicians today have figured out how Jesus walked on water, what we have not figured out is where he got the three semi's full of equipment needed and how he transported the whole thing out into the middle of that water.
JMTC
"I came, I saw, SHE conquered." (The original Latin seems to have been garbled.)
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AmazingEARL Veteran user Tennessee, USA 350 Posts |
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On 2002-04-24 13:13, THOR wrote: "Nah...I just do cheesey magic tricks. Jesus was the Son of God...He could do stuff for REAL! I mean, He made the lame able to walk, blind people see. He raised people from the dead! I can't do that. ...If I could, I'd have a show on cable by now." |
Leland Stone Inner circle 1204 Posts |
If I remember correctly, Gibson wrote that the snake was a "naji haji," or type of cobra. When I read the book in, I don't know, '73 or so, I thought about writing the Egyptian consulate to see if I could get one...perhaps it's just as well I never actually wrote the letter... On a side note, Pharoah's Magicians' at last failed to imitate the miraculous signs (they could not produce gnats) and testified that in Moses' display "This is the finger of God." Pharaoh's Magi do not speak again.
I've never had anyone ask me the question posed in this topic. Most deeply religious persons who've seen me perform are uncomfortable with Magic and discussion does not result; non-religious persons have (hopefully) enjoyed the show, but have not discussed supernaturalism. Leland |
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