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dahih beik Special user palestine 817 Posts |
Take a look at this
http://youtu.be/JiMNuCJ-SDU |
Kyle^Ravin Inner circle I slammed my head against 1070 Posts |
Cool...a spin off the usual puzzle illusions...
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
It's certainly a puzzle! I think the audience reaction at the middle reveal says it all.
Ray Pierce
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Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Very nice puzzle illusion. A little bit in the style of Jim Steinmeyer I would say.
Oliver. |
Doruk Ãœlgen Elite user 466 Posts |
Maybe its just me, but I didn't enjoy it...
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Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 18:50, Doruk Ãœlgen wrote: That was my point... I don't believe the live audience did either. I happen to like puzzles... they are a challlange to me mentally but they don't move me emotionally. Puzzle magic appeals to the mind which transfors a moving art into a cerebral excersise in trying to figure it out. It seems to be a challange for the audience. Even if they don't discover the actual method, the thinking process it engages them in halts a lot of the emotional linkage that leads to fun, enjoyment and entertainment. Let's face it... most magicians do love puzzles, I'm just not sure that audiences love them as much as tolerate them. For me, wonder and amazement are rich emotions that are the essence of what great magic can be. A puzzle is on the total opposite side of the magical spectrum.
Ray Pierce
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
If the paint/design was a little more deceptive, that would help. I kept comparing the performers anatomy to the sections of the box and they looked big. Even the legs look large
Had the design been more wedge-like from the front angle, that would have helped. No you couldn't turn everything around but it could be swivelled to the right and left. To recap. If the front sections were more like illusion steps AND the entire pieces created a cube, when closed, that would have fooled the mind better. Plus... placing two blades in simultaneous instead of dragging it out. AND if a two hands could appear from two holes - one per each side (waving a hank) that too could have improved the illusion. Just my observations, feel free to disagree,
Jay Leslie
www.TheHouseOfEnchantment.com |
Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 20:14, jay leslie wrote: You did give really good notes and everything you said woud have made the effect harder to figure out... but would it then be a good effect or just a more deceptive bad one? I'm speaking from experience as I took years in a magic shop trying to make bad effects good. It is a great mental excercise and I grew a lot from it. In the end I learned that some effects are just not entertaining except to magicians. Puzzle magic is great for magic conventions (or for discussion on here for that matter) but I wonder if it really moves an audience? I know this isn't in the "theory" section of the board but I just like to keep it in the mix.
Ray Pierce
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jay leslie V.I.P. Southern California 9498 Posts |
Can't answer that without bias Ray, because I like all three variables of performance 1.puzzle performer, 2.the real magician and 3.the conduit personality. The answer lays in what the audience likes and if one is booked again at the same venue or sent referrals,
We've received a SO for Thru a one inch hole (puzzle) and for my own levitation (real magician) so who's to say? Some performers have a tendency to stick to one style without knowing it while some have no concept (or should I say motivation & inner script) and perform variety because that's what was available to them. But... even if the above illusion in question is just a puzzle, if the box would be redesigned, dissected and spread apart in 10 seconds, we might be having a different conversation.
Jay Leslie
www.TheHouseOfEnchantment.com |
Ray Pierce Inner circle Los Angeles, CA 2607 Posts |
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On 2011-05-03 21:36, jay leslie wrote: You know, I must admit that having a stimulating conversation with intelligent and rational people is one of the reasons this board appeals to me! I totally agree with your thoughts. My goal is always to lead the audience towards a richer experience of magic but then again I do paper balls over the head and it gets a great reaction! Yes, there is a place for a puzzle performance in a show. I think it can be a great change to mix up the evening. My personal bias is the fact that it seems to permeate the magical scene now! Entire shows are made up of these routines that have no climax... one girl goes in, you mix up the boxes and she comes out. I know they try a costume change with a fancy pose and light bump to give it SOME form of a punch but basically it has little organic story arc. Quote:
We've received a SO for Thru a one inch hole (puzzle)... I can actually picture this getting a great reaction in the hands of a pro and while it might technically be a puzzle I don't really view it as that. Quote:
Some performers have a tendency to stick to one style without knowing it while some have no concept (or should I say motivation & inner script) and perform variety because that's what was available to them. Bingo... I think that is my frustration. lol...Yes, I let it reflect in my posts! Quote:
But... even if the above illusion in question is just a puzzle, if the box would be redesigned, dissected and spread apart in 10 seconds, we might be having a different conversation. We might be having a similar conversation but at least it would be about a really good puzzle!
Ray Pierce
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ClintonMagus Inner circle Southwestern Southeast 3997 Posts |
I think I would like it better if it had a graphic such a Zig Zag or Kub-Zag, and the small corner pieces were hinged the other direction to make it look more like the box was falling apart.
Things are more like they are today than they've ever been before...
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dahih beik Special user palestine 817 Posts |
I cant agree more clinton
anyway I like these people who try to create something a little diferent . |
Oliver Ross Inner circle Europe 1724 Posts |
Your right dahih beik,
I've gone through nearly every video of them and there are a few interesting illusions, but they all show the same lack of emotions, design and some kind of real climax. But the ideas are good. Oliver. |
Magic Patrick Inner circle Minnesota 1591 Posts |
It could just be the audience. Some audiences are not as vocal as others and some are a lot louder. I have seen DC 4 times and as you know it is the same exact show over and over again. Each time the audience was different. Personally, I like my konundrum kube and have very good audience reactions all the time. This is a good idea and I liked it too. Would I buy it or perform it? No and No! I guess to each his/her own.
Patrick |
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