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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
Yes and no:
I can see that your statement about what magicians would normally do with any routine they read is very correct, but that isn't what you should be doing when presenting a review about someone else's work. Yes your routine is very good and of course people can use that if they wish. But that isn't the point. The review is of what can be found in the actual book and a clean clear demo of that is what should be shown. (If after that demo, you want to add "It's great but at the end I would do X, Y, Z, then that is fine.) The whole point is that you are reviewing that book and exactly what can be found in it. You are then giving a demo of what is in that book, so it should be a demo as described in the book. It's like reviewing Whiskers cat food and saying that it is great and will make your cat happy, I'll show you my cat looking happy and showing a video of your cat looking happy eating a different cat food. And then saying "Well it's all cat food isn't it and cat owners are likely to use different sorts. The whole point is that it's meant to be a review of Whiskers cat food. And seriously if you are going to the bother of switching out 3 pairs of special cards only to put them back for the next table, you may as well leave it as it is for the next table and switch the whole deck for a regular one. Easily done in pocket with some other non-deck trick in the middle.
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2298 Posts |
Well, if you feel I cheated you in some way I am very sorry. I think I have shown time and time again on the show that I am totally not biased for or against any effect. In fact I trash one of the biggest name's in magic on this weeks show. I have no interest in promoting Wayne's book I just want people to know when there is something out there that I consider good (especially as there is so much rubbish these days.
The fact remains that Wayne's book is one of the best I have seen in a long time and the Ace routine no matter how you perform it is a KILLER. I'll try to refrain from putting my own spin of effects from now on Craig |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
Craig, it may sound like it, but I'm not actually having a go. I also liked your routine very much.
The only thing is that I can't understand the logic in doing a review of something to the point of showing us something from the said product and then instead doing your vesion of it. That just seems to go against the purpose of the whole thing. Maybe it would have been better to clearly state that you are doing your version of what is in the book and not what is in the book you are reviewing. But again I don't see the point of anyone doing a different version of anything of the product under review. I just can't understand why the clear connection between the product being reviewed and showing that actual product being performed is so hard to understand. As I said above, if after a performance of the original matterial being reviewed, you want to give some great tips and views of how you think it could be done in many different ways, then that would be a great valuable bonus. Most of the negative posts about the WPR seem to stem from a misunderstanding by simply not saying something or not making it clear. (As was the case here: It was not made clear that you were not doing exactly what the product that was being reviewed instructed.) So you see that there was nothing wrong in what you did, just that it wasn't the product being reviewed and that wasn't stated. This is all meant to be constructive feedback: Something merely to take on board and address or not as you wish. :) I don't know, we don't have these problems when Matthew addresses the Nation.
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
OK, I finally got this sucker together and began messing about with it. Obviously I’m still only practicing and doing this for myself. I’m sure when we practice something new we try to place ourselves in the spectator’s shoes and try to look at any given trick as they would. With that said I can now easily see why Craig performs this effect the way he does.
After watching his performance in what I and, so it would seem, everyone else thought to be how this trick is performed I’m sure you can easily understand my surprise when I read how it was performed in the instructions by Wayne Dobson! My first reaction to the first phase of this trick (something Craig did not do), and also to the very last part was WTF! The performance of this trick in the book is a tad longer, but when Craig decided to perform it as he does I honestly feel that he should have at least pointed this out, and or made some reference to the way it is handled by Wayne Dobson and why he (Craig) opted to perform it the way he did. As to “McDobson’s Aces” I’m in full agreement with Craig as to how he performs it sans letting the spectator spread out the 12 cards. Sure, you can do so but, thanks but…..NO THANKS. I personally, would not care to take the chance. Actually, in the book you are instructed to have the spectator place the 12 cards on top of the deck, give it a full cut and then have them ribbon spread the entire deck on a table. I can’t see doing this as in my opinion it’s a tad ridiculous and unneeded. Then again, Wayne is performing this as a totally hands off trick. Seeing that you’ve never handled any of the cards I can’t see any problem whatsoever when at the end you simply pick up the 12 cards and spread them apart yourself to show that all of the Aces are now gone. After all, there is nothing fishy in the least of you fairly and openly spreading the 12 cards and Craig pointed this fact out in one of his previous posts. As for the first phase, which Craig left out, I am again in total agreement with Craig in leaving that out. To be quite honest, if a magician asked me to go through all of the moves/instructions that are asked of the spectator I’d more likely than not gather all the cards up half way through it and shove them down the magicians throat and walk away! All of this is simply done to reveal the 4 Aces and, for all practical purposes there is nothing magical about it whatsoever. You simply had a stacked deck, had the spectator go through all kinds of endless contortions to arrive at the 4 Aces, and anyone with a bit of common sense would be able deduce that. In my opinion, simply much ado about nothing. I’ve not yet taken the time to go over the other effects in the book, but one thing at a time. If by chance anyone is interested in purchasing the book simply for McDobson’s Aces as it was performed by Craig then I would simply say go for it as I really love it! Yes, it can be performed as Craig did with a couple minor caveats. One of course would be in letting the spectator handle the 12 cards as Craig did, but this is of course up to you, and I really don’t find it necessary to do so, nor do I feel it will in any way draw away from the impact of the trick. Secondly, there is a wee bit of what you might consider as equivoque used in one phase of the trick (if needed), but this is really a very minor issue. Mind you, I’m not saying that Craig skipped over that as it would seem that it was not necessary when he performed it for David. I’ve already stated my opinion as to what Craig could, or should have done, and or at least stated as to how he performed this trick so I’ll then let it go at that. However, I’ll have to admit that if he had not performed it as he did I would have never even considered in the least in buying this book, and now I’m quite happy I did so and I can’t wait to perform (or not perform?) this little gem.
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
Just gt my copy today and after posting this, I will be reading it.
Just a random idea on the 12 card spread bit: If you are presenting it as a 'Teaching someone how to be a magician' type effect, then at that part the instruction could be "Pick up the 12 cards, hand them to the magician and ask him to find the aces" - They do that and you are unable to find them/show they have gone! - Next instruction being "You now turn over the 4 cards put aside one by one and get a massive round of applause!" So basically work in the dirty part to look like it's all part of what is meant to happen. And you are as dumbfounded as everyone (acting required) Finish by asking THEM how they did that?
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
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When it comes to looking dumbfounded, and or just plain dumb for that matter, there is never any need for me to “act” like it! lol
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
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On 2011-05-16 13:19, gaffed wrote: I usually look dumbfounded when someone has just shuffled my s***ked deck and out goes my planed routine and in comes something else that I'm making up as I go along.
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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boboshempy Veteran user Jersey 373 Posts |
Craig,
You are right. While a little gutsy, your handling of McDobson’s Aces does work in the real world. I have been working it and it is great! I let the spec do the 12 card spread on the table and then they flip over the aces and believe it or not, there is no heat on anything. Nothing is more fair then letting them handle each and every card. They are the ones doing the trick so in their mind there is nothing sinister to look for. I just clean it up after they are done and move on. You guys haven't let me down! You have a great show and I value your opinions. Nick |
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boboshempy Veteran user Jersey 373 Posts |
Craig,
You are right. While a little gutsy, your handling of McDobson’s Aces does work in the real world. I have been working it and it is great! I let the spec do the 12 card spread on the table and then they flip over the aces and believe it or not, there is no heat on anything. Nothing is more fair then letting them handle each and every card. They are the ones doing the trick so in their mind there is nothing sinister to look for. I just clean it up after they are done and move on. You guys haven't let me down! You have a great show and I value your opinions. Nick |
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
Yep, I gotta admit it can be done as Craig performed it. My apologies Craig.
The other night I had the deck on me when I went to the local pub/restaurant. While waiting at the bar for for a pizza I decided to do this trick for a female bartender that I know. She always asks me to perform some magic so I decided to hand her the deck and say; "Hey, its about time you do some magic for me for a change". I instructed her what to do and when it came to spreading the 12 cards I was about to take them and do that myself. At the last moment I made the decision to let her do it (amazing what a double V.O. on the rocks can do!) and it went off great! I then asked her how the hell she did that and she was totally dumbfounded! I then heard her telling other customers, aside from those sitting next to me, that she just performed an amazing magic trick but she has no idea how she did it followed by a few strange looks! lol
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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Craig Petty V.I.P. UK 2298 Posts |
Thanks for the comments guys.
I'm glad you've all tried it - it goes so well. I was lecturing last week at a club and afterwards I performed this during an impromptu card session. It floors a room full of magicians. It really is a highlight of my act. Craig |
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
I’ll have to admit that before I purchased “Look No Hands” I had never heard of Wayne Dobson. So with that I did some searching on Google, and then on You Tube for some possible videos of him performing before he became restricted to a wheel chair from MS. Simply an amazing talented guy with impeccable comedic timing! I’m admittedly not a very big fan of ventriloquist’s (don’t even get me started on clowns!), but I’ve never seen one use ventriloquism in such a manner as Wayne does and I was absolutely floored with laughter.
More likely than not many of you, especially those from the U.K. have seen his acts, but for those who haven’t here is one of his more memorable ones performed in 1989 at the London Palladium. Obviously his two sponge ball trick would have gained nothing more than a yawn if performed just as is, but combine his amazing comedic talent and timing it becomes secondary to say the least. When I first watched this I had tears in my eyes from laughing so hard! Bottom line...one hell of a talented guy, and yet, even though he is restricted to a wheel chair he still goes on with his love of magic! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAWi15MAOmo
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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MagicallyMe Veteran user Manhattan Beach, CA 356 Posts |
Hey guys...I bought "Look No Hands" just to learn the McDobson's Aces routine as I saw it on teh Wizard Product Review. Criag's performance seemed much different (and a LOT better) than how it turned out to be written up in the book. Can someone PM on how he did the setup for this? I think the reveal is the same as the book, but sorry...dumb me...I don't understand how Craig set it up. Thanks!
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gaffed Inner circle So far I've managed to gimmick 1817 Posts |
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On 2011-09-28 21:58, MagicallyMe wrote: Will send you a PM today. Great trick, and yes, you can let the spectator spread the cards as Craig did. Hell, this is even good if you do the trick yourself albeit having the spectator perform a bit of magic is a nice change.
"Half this game is ninety percent mental."
~Yogi Berra~ "To one who has faith, no explanation is necessary. To one without faith, no explanation is possible." ~St. Thomas Aquinas~ Twitter – "A means of proving how pathetic and lonely you are in 140 characters or less." ~Anonymous~ |
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