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ftlum Special user Roseville, CA 730 Posts |
Hi All.
I've been working on a routine in Curtis Kam's Deceptions in Paradise video-- the one where 3 silver coins change into Chinese coins. It's a terrific routine-- the first change is a real killer (it's the kind where you can fool yourself)! Anyway, can anyone recommend an alternative to the Bobo switch for that routine? I'm trying to not use the same move too often. thanks, -- Frank L. |
Chris Berry Special user 831 Posts |
Shuttle Pass?
I never liked the Bobo Switch. I read a copy of how to do it a couple years back and hated it. It wasn't until I bought Modern Coin Magic and sat back and read the switch in detail, until I fully understood how cool it was. Remember, you don't have to toss the coin twice. I thought that was a waste of time. You can just do the switch right off the bat. Chris |
Magix Elite user 432 Posts |
I like the Utility Switch. It's in Bobo's, too.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
on getting past the Bobo Switch...
Both the CP2CP and EG2EG moves get the job done. The classic palm move is around, and the Edge Grip move(s) have just been published in Kainoa's book. Hope those options help -Jonathan
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
My personal favorite is David Roth's Flash Change (Expert Coin Magic) because you see the hands empty except for a single coin.
However, I have to point out that the Bobo switch is probably the most abused move in magic after the Elmsley Count. Here's a tip: Toss the coin instead of throwing it. Most people seem like they're trying to pitch the coin through the receiving hand. |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Geeze Bill, the flash change requires mastery of deep backlclip and might not work well when you have other coins hidden in the tossing hand.
I agree with you that the Bobo move is better suited to those who come across as heavey handed... which leaves me out.
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wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Jon,
I've used the Flash Change while hiding coins in classic palm. It's doable as long as you're prepared for the angle problems. I don't think it's that difficult as you don't have to backclip under fire. You can put the coin to be switched in into back clip before placing the visible coin over the edge. Besides, If Frank is working on Curtis' stuff, he'd better be ready for some hardcore technique. Of the Deep Backclip technique I know it's probably the easiest. |
ftlum Special user Roseville, CA 730 Posts |
Well, I haven't got palms of steel yet , but I'm working on it.
Thanks for the tips! -- Frank |
Curtis Kam V.I.P. same as you, plus 3 and enough to make 3498 Posts |
Frank,
On one of the Geno Munari tapes, Michael Skinner explains his refinements regarding the Bobo switch. In his hands, it looks rather casual, and completely natural. He explains it in the context of his explanation of "Presto Chango" and that, for some reason,is the sole explanation on the tape. I think the write up in Genii also described the Skinner handling. The most common problem I've seen with the Bobo switch is that people misunderstand the reason for the tossing action. They think they must toss the coin so fast that they do not see the switch. Actually, the faster the coin is tossed, the more curious the event appears. Like an earlier poster said, it looks like they're trying to toss the coin through their hands. Goshman did it with a light toss, and when he switched a copper penny in for a silver half, you saw the silver half fly into his hand. This makes sense, after all, you also saw the silver half fly in his hand when there was no coin at all. Keep working on making the switch a non-event. This is one of the ones that may not fool you when you look in the mirror, but it can look entirely different to the spectators.
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MAGICTOM Veteran user Dallas, Tx 354 Posts |
I have always felt unnatural performing with the bobo switch.. I use a one handed palm to palm change.. VERY convincing sleight.. you do the move as you are in motion, placing the coin into the other hand. and you end up with the switched coin already in classic palm.
TOM
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carlb New user Seattle 77 Posts |
I don't have the "Deceptions" tape (but I do have all 3 POS releases - thanks for the wealth of material Curtis!), so I am not certain what the context for the switch is - but there are several "variations" of the general Bobo Switch idea.
What is it about the move you don't like? Is it the particualer handling? You can try using different starting positions/palms/grips/concealments (finger, classic, thumb)- and different ending positions (finger, classic, thumb!) Is it the the placement of the move in the routine? Is there a reason to toss the coin into the other hand? Is there motivation? If so, then I think Curtis' advice above is right on - don't make it a move. Other alternatives (to add to those very good suggestions above): Sankey has an nice switch from Goshman/Tenkai on his Revolutionary Coin tape. You could load the "target" coin in the other hand and then just false transfer the visible coin enabling you to display the target coin as a change. Whatever you do, try and modify the move and the action so that it feels right with your body language. If you toss/place/transfer a coin from hand to hand casually in "real life" what does it look like? Try to use something that simulates that as closely as possible. |
martyk Loyal user 275 Posts |
What I don't like is the positionof the fingers. I was surprised at how badly it looked even in the hands of the great --and he is-- Johnny Thompson.
I think the other problem was that there often seems no reason for placing it in the other hand. Gallaway does the most remarkable vanish after a French Drop simply because he uses misdirection in which he MUST get rid of the coin to the left hand because he has to use his right hand to retrieve another object |
TheAmbitiousCard Eternal Order Northern California 13425 Posts |
What about the De Manche change.?
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ftlum Special user Roseville, CA 730 Posts |
Hmm. I'm not familiar with the De Manche change. Where would I find a description of it?
thanks, -- Frank |
wsduncan Inner circle Seattle, WA 3619 Posts |
Page 12 in Bobo's under the heading of "One Handed Coin Switch" if I'm not mistaken.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Look's like we're about ready for a treasure hunt in bobo's.
I'm tempted to have a look and see what a misreading of the text might suggest. Like taking the bit with the tailored jacket and instead pretending to be a soda machine. Drop coins in pocket-> soda appears in side pocked and change in the other pocket.
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levitate Veteran user 319 Posts |
Jay Sankey has a very nice variant of the Bobo Switch on his new DVD titled "No Card Tricks" I suggest you check it out.
Michael |
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