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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
I know mouth coils are really for a finally. Then I thought though if you were to have a routine with even bigger impact to do after. Reason for a follow up effect is that they could make perfect misdirection for the retrieval of another object to produce. Assuming you are pulling it from the mough while one hand is pulling more the other that just released and is about to go up can grab a billiard ball or something from a holdout. Perhaps simply use the misdirection to produce a second item and leave it at that. Like a bottle or other large impressive item. Whatever it is though once you have it when should it be produced? Perhaps using the paper stream as a cover over hand like a silk you then shake it around revealing the bottle, flowers, or whatever. Just a thought I had as I learned to make my own coils I will be using them more. I wanted more uses with them and thinking of that though some may find it usefull.
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Bill Palmer Eternal Order Only Jonathan Townsend has more than 24312 Posts |
This is nothing new.
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
Welp now I know
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Mr. Woolery Inner circle Fairbanks, AK 2149 Posts |
While it is true that this is nothing new, I am going to encourage you to continue thinking about new ideas. Or new to you, anyway.
I came up with an idea a month ago (have not developed it, but I did write it down) based on the Grandma's Necklace principle in a larger setting. I was proud of it. Tonight I found a video of Jimmy Talksalot doing almost the exact routine I had envisioned. I came up with it independently, but he's been doing it for a while. The basic effect is that two ropes pass through a person's body rather than escape from three beads. This does not invalidate the idea, it actually confirms it as a good idea! Nothing I could publish for money, and it has probably been used for ages by other folks. However, I am trying to tap my own creativity and this was from a personal mental exercise where I asked myself if I could apply the principle in that ancient trick to a stage-sized setting. It was a very specific challenge to my own thinking and I feel like I did a good job. Jeremy, I am going to challenge you to think of three new (to you, meaning you have not seen or heard them elsewhere) ideas with mouth coils in the next week. I bet you can come up with something better than just pulling the thing out of your mouth like so many people have done for so long. Odds are you won't come up with anything others have not, but coming up with the ideas yourself will exercise your creativity and that's never a bad thing. Plus, it never hurts to remind others (as you did in your first post of this thread) of things that are not in the videos released in the last 2 years. Bill can vet the process and remind us that it has all been done before, but I bet he'd be the first to agree that just because a trick has been done for 2,000 years does not mean it isn't a good trick! Look at his collection to be reminded of that. -Patrick |
Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
Well said, Patrick!
Jeremy, your idea was something that I also thought of years ago, as it just seemed to be a natural extension of the trick. I later saw a similar idea used by someone else. For what it's worth, in my opinion, the larger the production item, the better. The more seemingly unmanageable, the better. Large loads, liquid loads, or live loads tend to fall into this category. You mentioned a billiard ball... ok, but not great, considering the size of the available cover. Then, you mentioned a bottle... very nice! I used the idea for a dove production, and to offer you some lines to think along, I made a gimmick for this that closely matched the look of a crumpled handful of mouth coils.
~michael baker
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
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On 2011-08-15 03:50, Mr. Woolery wrote: You always have such great things to say. That is not all I thought of though. I also figured rather than simply stuffing a single color in the fist or mouth. Why not the colors of the coil? Giving the illusion of the paper not only changing color and stretching but joining together. Probably most indefinetly done already. The more creative one though is to use it with the coloring book trick. Explaining that the colors always disappear after you color in the book you could use some help. Have them wave the magic paint brush over the book and then. Showing that the colors still arent back you say wait. Perhaps they are in hear somewhere. Then bam a coil out of the coloring book. I will come up with more though. Didn't realize coils were 2,000 years old though. Wow! Have they always been made with tissue paper? Curious about their history. Figured they were only about 100 give or take at most. Quote:
On 2011-08-15 05:39, Michael Baker wrote: I will half to think more. I will ponder about a gimmick like that. I was trying to think of better ways for retrieving them for one. An idea I had was a loop to catch onto. Posted: Aug 15, 2011 4:49pm P.S. I have a feeling THE COLORING BOOK REVISITED sold on the magicnook could be very useful.
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Harry Murphy Inner circle Maryland 5444 Posts |
I used to produce a New Zealand Red (a BIG breed of bunny) from the yards of paper produced from a Mouth Coil. I always figured that the bigger the produced item the more impossible and more magical it seemed.
The basic idea came from a book published in the late 1800’s where sheets of colored tissue paper were torn up and then a rabbit was produced from the shreds of paper. The actual steal was pretty open and based on a Tony Marks idea (he was a friend of my Dad’s). It was Mr. Marks that had me actually produce the rabbit well away from tables or props. When that huge rabbit appeared it never failed to garner gasps of surprise and applause. Keep those creative juices flowing!
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Mr. Woolery Inner circle Fairbanks, AK 2149 Posts |
Sorry, the mouth coil is not 2000 years old. What I meant to say was a general reference to the fact that old tricks can be the best tricks. Bill has that magnificent collection of cups and balls and I was rather sloppy in how I tried to refer to it as a note that he himself is an expert in something that clearly is nothing new, but still is some of the strongest magic in the world when done well. Looking at my message, I can totally see that it looks like I'm saying mouth coils are that old and I'm not meaning to.
The oldest reference to something similar that I have found is Hocus Pocus Jr. with a trick where you pull as much ribbon from your mouth as a spectator specifies. Not paper, but still a similar effect. I like your thinking with the coloring book! I don't do the coloring book, but it is an additional magical bit that would really jazz up a routine. Harry, if I were into livestock, I'd be PMing you for tips on the rabbit load. Doing it away from furniture would be a wonderful touch. My wife is very glad I don't want a rabbit. That I'll admit to, anyway. -Patrick |
Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2011-08-15 16:36, J.G. the magnificent wrote: A particular gimmick (if any) will depend on what you are producing and from where you will steal it. Just think about what your hands would naturally be doing in the course of managing the paper, and start looking for locations to conceal the load that would facilitate a steal WHILE you are producing the yards of paper, not after you're done. Your misdirection will be better.
~michael baker
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
Mr. Woolery in thinking of new ways to use coils I haven't thought of much. One idea I had though was using them with the paper being in a utility cone rather than your fist. That way they are produced from the utility cone which isn't very creative but. The other thought was to though I have never used a card fountain wondered if one could be used with a coil.
Posted: Aug 22, 2011 3:10pm Mr. Woolery I have thought of using a utility cone and card fountain with them as mentioned above. Also though just thought of another. After bunching the stream of paper up before a production it may be a bit flashier to use a party popper. Tested it and is awsome! Trying come expand my ideas into routines now. Thanks Posted: Dec 19, 2011 3:02pm The magician goes to talking about how some people can open up a starburst in their mouth with their teeth and tongue. Bringing out a sheet of paper says that he can do better by making an origami dove in his mouth. So he stuffs it inside and after some grunting and difficulty pulls out paper. Only it isn’t an origami dove but 30 feet of streamer. Finally after all the streamer is out an origami dove is pulled out. He then coughs and removes a feather from his mouth. The origami bird is then made to float about in front of the magician and even around the stage. As if this wasn’t impressive and funny enough the paper then ignites with a flash of light turning into a real dove.
Jeremy Gates
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Ramsay routine
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
This it? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtNvmD54Ic8 I know I am pulling them from my mouth defeating the purpose of this discussion. However that is not all I do, I think I have come up with quite the twist.
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djkuttdecks Special user Portland 662 Posts |
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On 2011-12-19 17:42, Pete Biro wrote: oooo beat me to it! |
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NO NO NO
Ramsay's finish to his cups and balls routine. Mebbe I can find a photo to post Posted: Dec 19, 2011 9:07pm This is Ramsay's cups and balls final load. Sorry can't figure out how to post it.
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J.G. the magnificent Special user Griffith Indiana 886 Posts |
As a little gag at work I grabed some skittles and mentioning how they say tast the rainbow. I poured skittles into my hand popping them into my mouth I pulled a coil. They loved it and it could also be done from behind the bag. As it you pull the colors from the bag. Or using a thumbtip coil reach directly inside to get the rainbow.
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
Sounds cool, Jeremy!
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
I am going to lecture at IMX May 21-23 on "How to come up with new ideas."
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