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phonic69 Special user 560 Posts |
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On 2002-05-06 09:32, Tom Cutts wrote: Excuse me? Perhaps in Britain we have a different attitude towards magic clubs than you guys. My club isn't a money grabbing group of performers hell bent on profits! We hold one show a year and that for charity. No, it's a club where magicians, some good, some not so, get together and learn from each other. And idle gossip? What's that meant to mean? Clubs should have lots of time for magic, but if there is non-related magic talk then so what? A club that bonds will work much much better than one with a set of individuals hell bent on their own agenda. A group of inexperienced magicians will talk more about magic then gossip because they'll want to learn. Think about it... |
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Mike Robbins Elite user Anchorage, Alaska 447 Posts |
I think there's room for both exclusive and non-exclusive clubs. Frankly, I've seen the downside to the absolute "open-door" policy where you get "magic groupies" and, as Peter said, those who just like having the free magic shows. This has also led to "video rental libraries" where some of these same groupies can rent videos to see how effects are done just to satisfy their curiosity.
On the other hand, there are valid reasons for joining a magic club other than for performing. There are those who are magic collectors, historians, and inventors who do not perform. I believe the Magic Castle even has a category of membership for folks like this. I've not been a member of an exclusive club yet. Having said that, I think I'd prefer a club that's lightly exclusive, perhaps requiring a performance and a "trial period". I think there should be a ritual that is comfortable enough for the cultural norms of the area and significant enough to make membership in the club be something special and worthy of attainment. Mike
The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
Shakespeare |
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Peter Marucci Inner circle 5389 Posts |
Phonic writes: "My club isn't a money grabbing group of performers hell bent on profits!"
Odd. After re-reading Tom's post, I can't find anywhere in it that he suggests his group is that, either! What he DID say was the the more focussed, and performance-oriented group was the one the public was more willing to pay to see. If a club is totally inner-directed -- that is, the sole purpose of the members' belonging is to perform for other members -- then that strikes me as a bit of a waste of time! The object of ANY performance art is the performance! cheers, Peter Marucci showtimecol@aol.com |
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phonic69 Special user 560 Posts |
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I'm not so sure, the ethos of my local magic circle is to let magicians develop internally, to learn from each other, then to go out and perform to others! How can learning magic from other magicians be anything other that a positive venture? Let the performers perform, and let the magicians share their knowledge to help them perform! Perhaps clubs in Canada/America are more performance orientated.... who knows! But what a good discussion, you wouldn't find this anywhere else on the 'net!!! |
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Mike Robbins Elite user Anchorage, Alaska 447 Posts |
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Um, yeah, it sure can be something other than positive. Certainly, it's not that way all the time, but I've certainly seen it. I left the local club over a year ago and I've got to say that my magic has become much stronger since. I didn't realize how much time I wasted every month at meetings that went nowhere. I've since taken that wasted time and put it into more productive use. Now some of the people in the club are very happy with the way things are and they are getting something out of it. I just realized that my goals (becoming a better performer) and their goals (watching magic, learning the newest trick on the market) didn't match. Rather than try to change the club, as I was in the minority, I figured it was best to avoid the conflict and simply leave. More power to them. I hope they prosper and grow. I'm glad for you that you're in a club and situation that you're happy with and growing with. Mike
The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.
Shakespeare |
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phonic69 Special user 560 Posts |
I imagine I'm biased in that I've only seen one club, which to the best of my knowledge, runs successfully for all who show up.
Everyone contributes, and therefore it is a good thing for all. Certainly no people just "watching magic, learning the newest trick on the market". I'm sorry you haven't had similar experiences! I sometimes believe that a very small group, maybe even just two people throwing some ideas around is the most productive means of developing new ideas and performance style. Whatever, as long as this Cafe's in use, it is a great resource and like a big magic club full of interested magicians! |
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