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Stephen Long Inner circle 1481 Posts |
I have much better success with the classic force when I turn my head away from the spread.
One of my fingers contacts the force card under the spread so I can feel if I've hit or not. This is a different approach to the 'classic' classic force which generally relies more on the performer's timing.
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MacGyver Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1419 Posts |
I recognize the card by feel anyway, but how can you do timing if you can't tell when they are going for a card?!?!?!?!?!
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MichalMystic Veteran user 326 Posts |
I do agree with proper teaching it can cut the time down on learning the classic force but unlike other alot of other forces you need to test this out on other for the practice.
I personally have a great training method for one person at home to learn the clasic force advice given to me many many years ago. If anyone that knows or is learning the classic force just ask and Ill share this training method as it helped me greatly. This looks like it going to be a great cd no matter what! |
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AlexWong Veteran user 371 Posts |
I've been practicing my classic force abit, but I can't quite put my finger down on what goes wrong sometimes.
I find that for some people I can force quite consistently.. others.... hardly even once.... About doing the classic force behind the back... its such a brillant prospect, but I think I put it on hold until after I get my classic force to a respectable level. |
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
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On 2003-09-04 20:44, MacGyver wrote: I think Stephen Long's method of Classic Force while you are turning your head sideways can be done. If you turn head to right 90 degree and turn your eys to left as far as possible, you can glimpse the area you spread the cards. I think you must not face to spectator as soon as you forced. As soon as you forced, you turn further to right and hand the deck to the spectator and keep turning until the spectator bury his selection in the deck. Othrwise, Mr.Long's Force has no merit. Hideo Kato |
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PaulGreen Inner circle 1133 Posts |
Hi all,
Vinny said: "Paul Green 'the master of the classic force' has a dvd and video out . And now we have the ZEN Master Steve Youell I can't wait for his cd to come out." Thanks, Vinny! I, too, am very interested in Steve's upcoming work on the Classic. My videotape (still available from your favorite dealer or me) teaches my technique, but that does not mean "It is the best". I am always learning. Steve's work will add to my knowledge base. I am sure all of us will be forcing better after Steve's work is available. Regards, Paul (Not the master, but pretty good) Green |
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vinsmagic Eternal Order sleeping with the fishes... 10957 Posts |
IMO Paul Green is the master of the classic force.
And as Paul himself said "we are never to old to learn" In order to grow as a magician we must alway strive to keep learning. Steves's work on the force is excellent. I have seen him perform ,and yes he can hit the cards 99 out of 100. Steve demonstrates on his cd, he hits four in a row on one effect , this is almost un heard of. with Paul and Steves work, the classic force will add to the magicians skill. vinny |
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jpinusa New user 6 Posts |
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On 2003-09-04 20:38, Stephen Long wrote: It looks like Stephen is getting close to the Al Koran approach which Mr. Biro alluded to earlier on. Like him I'm not going to go into any detail here. I think the key with this and the 'behind the back' thing is that the forcee is much more relaxed about taking the 'obvious' card because he/she is not going to believe that you will know the location of any of the cards while they're out of sight. The Classic Force comes down to relaxation and timing as the cards are moved toward the spectator who may be wary of taking an 'obvious' choice. The 'behind the back' and related 'not looking' is, I feel, more about the layout of a static offering combined with subtle pressure to make the taking of alternative cards less straightforward. If the forcee believes a force is impossible it makes it a good deal easier*. * Reading this I get the impression I seem to know what I'm talking about. Not true. I miss more times than I care to admit when forcing! In fact in my hands this move becomes the 'Classic Selection of a Random Card Other than the One I Plannded to Have Selected'. |
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Pete Biro 1933 - 2018 18558 Posts |
Go to secret sessions and I will describe Al Koran's "sort of classic" force.
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phantomace Special user 651 Posts |
That is very generous of you Pete. That is a GREAT force!
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Beetroot Loyal user 267 Posts |
I bought the Paul Daniels' DVD yesterday and watched and listened. I sat for a couple of minutes with a deck of cards going through the motions. I then went up to my wife and said "I am going to try to classic force a card on you" (she knows what the principle is and I wanted her to try hard to avoid the force). Guess what? First time try and she picked the force card.
I literally jumped up and down in triumph - I've been scared of this force for a while. I've got a long way to go in terms of practising this - making it smooth, relaxed, natural, reliable etc. but I'm encouraged by my first effort and guess the point I'm trying to make is that it's not as difficult as you might first think. And Steven - I'm absolutely blown away by your clip. Truly astounding. A quick query. Does anyone ever play it a bit safe by knowing the values of the card above and below the break so there is a one card leeway in the selection? (Not sure that this is a good idea for practising a perfect force, but just wondered if anyone had experimented in this way). Cheers, Beetroot |
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MacGyver Inner circle St. Louis, MO 1419 Posts |
I wouldn't depend on it too much, it would work if you were just trying to "read their mind" but it won't help when you are trying to force a specific card.
My girlfriend knows to grab the top stock or bottom stock whenever I offer cards up for taking.... |
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chrisM Loyal user 219 Posts |
I went to your site and I couldn't seem to find out the price of the CD's. What are they?
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Steven Youell V.I.P. 3866 Posts |
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On 2003-09-07 15:50, chrisM wrote: The Faro CD is $12.00 ppd anywhere in the US and $15.00 ppd anywhere else in the world. The Palming CD will be $20.00 ppd anywhere in the world. Steven Youell |
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Robert P. Special user Kansas 632 Posts |
Eric and Pete, great advice.
Steven, that demo looked great. Very, very smooth, especially at the end where four individuals each chose a card. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Hideosan: The Classic Force is - hand to hand spread so that the spectator can take a card. If you do it standing on your head, it's still the Classic Force. It certainly is the Classic Force when done behind your back, which I'VE BEEN DOING FOR FIFTY YEARS. And it IS easier because psycholically barriers are down. Check out REPUTAION-MAKERS, where I teach it, and also my videos, as mentioned by one of the posters above. I love the way one poster says "It CAN be done behind your back." Emphasis strongly on "CAN." No kidding? HARRY LORAYNE.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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Hideo Kato Inner circle Tokyo 5649 Posts |
O.K.
BTW, I am enjoying Lorayne-san's excavations. Hideo Kato P.S. If you don't mind, call me "Hideo". "Hideo-san" is like calling you "Mr.Harry" instead of "Mr.Lorayne". Kato-san is comfortable to me. Thanks. |
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Harry Lorayne 1926 - 2023 New York City 8558 Posts |
Of course, Hideo. Sorry about that. Glad you're enjoying my "excavations." From the messages I've been getting, many aren't. HARRY.
[email]harrylorayne@earthlink.net[/email]
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Paul H Inner circle UK South Coast 1135 Posts |
No, no Harry-San,
I think your excavations are great. Culls, classic force etc are central moves in my opinion and I have missed many of these excellent threads from the past. I'm learning alot. Best Regards, Paul H |
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mc_magi Special user Vancouver, BC 949 Posts |
Lol excavations.
Btw, have some kind of out for in case classic force fails.... in my routine, I have a way of making sure that even if they select a card totally off to throw me off (its a pick-the-same-card routine) I have an out...so it's 100% efficient - works great for hecklers. I'm sure many of us here can come up with tons of methods of "outs" . |
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