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Douglas Lippert Inner circle E Pluribus Unum 2343 Posts |
Yes, it's just up to you to do effects that are angle free. For instance, in June 2011's issue of M.U.M. I shared an angle free coin production using alumimum foil. Restaurant workers would like my effect, "Metal Mint" as it uses something found in the kitchen.
Douglas Lippert
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Dan Efran Regular user Pittsburgh, PA 150 Posts |
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harris Inner circle Harris Deutsch 8812 Posts |
It is crucial to know your audience, the venue and yourself.
You are correct not every routine or move, will fit this condition of being surrounded. There are many that can and do fit. Knowing what to do and when is crucial. Dream land is a wonderful place. I have woke from a dream with an idea for a magic routine, bit of business or at times a parody song. Some are pie in the sky and stay in the clouds. But the pay off when you bring them to light and to our audiences...priceless. Besides the side to side and behind angles, workers know to watch the vertical ones. Sight lines from above or from below..(sitting audience, a younger child looking up) The floor (if it fits you, your work/knowledge and venue) can be an interesting place for coin and other magic. Getting down there these days, is a bit easier than gettting back up. Harris still 2 old to know everything
Harris Deutsch aka dr laugh
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Tanay Regular user 162 Posts |
Thanks for the great replies I'm still not sure how a Tenkai pinch could work surrounded though! I perform with it a lot, but as soon as more people start watching I'm caught...
Can I ask, what are some non-gimmick routines that you guys use in a surrounded situation? One coin routine, some simple coins across (e.g. Mexican Jumping Coins) and Copper/Silver transposition are the routines which come to my mind
Tanay
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mago.niko Loyal user Athens, Greece 286 Posts |
The classic two in the hand-one in the pocket, a coins across in the spectator's hand and a copper silver transposition can be performed surrounded..
Tanay the only way to find out what you are able to do in situations like this, is the hard way Don't be afraid of making mistakes or getting caught. This is the only way of improving yourself.
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JeremyTan New user has magically produced 89 Posts |
If you are afraid of angles, one tip is to ask them to come close and lower ur hand more.
else, one coin routines where they end up on the shoulder, watch, pocket, then turns into a jumbo coin can pretty much be performed surrounded. perhaps at the end, vanish the jumbo via a topit or smthg.. and you are instantly ready to go again!
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
You can also use the audience sorrounding you as misdirection. Let me see if I can explain this... Dependng on how you choreograph and plan out your moves, you can actually use the person on your left when you do the "move" with your right hand. While he/she is looking at your "fair" left hand... you do the move with the right... and vice versa! As for the people behind you... you can simply tilt your hands a little palm down, or even closer to your body.
It is difficult to assess your situation until we know what routine you wish to do sorrounded. Best from Manila!
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
Loads of good responses here Tanay, incidentally, welcome to the Café.
I think it all depends on what you're doing. Some effects have critical angles that must be covered to ward off detection and so it might be difficult to pull it off surrounded, though I agree with Rannie that great misdirection can allow you to do all sorts of stuff. But I agree you must know the situation and environment where you're doing the effect as well. I've seen magicians do coin work fairly surrounded but mostly sorta half cirle-ish I'd say. Mickey Silver is one of the only guys that I've seen do some crazy coin magic completely surrounded and blows everybody out their shoes, he's uncanny! What makes this all work for him is his incredible understanding of his audience and having the chops to create the moments he wants them to see and appreciate. He's a unique worker. But in general, I would say that being surrounded is probably not a necessary thing, and as such many magicians just avoid those sorts of situations easy enough and control the circumstances as to presentation. The less stuff to have to be aware of the better for you, especially in real time. Discussing it academically is one thing, doing the do with people all around you is quite another.
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Tanay Regular user 162 Posts |
Mb, thanks for the reply
Yes I mostly work in a half-circle, but still I find it difficult to eliminate the weak angles on my left (I either have to turn to the left or lower my hands) Can a lot of coin routines be done for a semi-circle type situation? Rannie, thanks for your reply too! I wish to perform with the Tenkai Pinch surrounded, if that's possible? I've worked a lot on my One Coin routines and other similar routines and they are looking good with angles now. Niko, how would you go about doing a coins across in the *spectator's* hands? I do a coins across in which the last phase is in their hands, not sure if this is what you meant
Tanay
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
Yes it is possible to do Tenkai Pennies sorrounded. You just have to be aware of the height and the eye level of your audience.
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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rannie Inner circle 4375 Posts |
I hope Mickey Silver drops by this thread... What an amazing coin magician who can do almost everything sorounded. I was priviledged to perform with him in Vegas some years back. Mickey also witnessed me do my spellbound routine sorrounded. It is really amatter of awareness... where your audience are. It is also important how to set them up t look somewhere else... in time to do a move that is open to some people on your left or right. Casting misderection perhaps? Choreography... thoughtful/meaningful choreography is very vital. for example... I would turn half way back to block something from the people behind me (close behind me)... This is meanigful because I am apparently trying to show the people up front what it looks like (apparently) from the magician's point of view! I then ask the folks at my back by mere gesture, to join the gang up front (my internal script would actually be.."fellas come to the other side, so I can show it to everyone at one GO). The actual patter is ..."wanna see what it really looks like from my side? So you see ... even scripting is important. I achieved 2 things in this short segment...1) show them how it apparently looks from my side... 2) do the move!
These things have worked for me... I am in no way saying that this will work for everyone... I do feel strongly that it may help though! Good luck and CHEERS from MANILA! Rannie
"If you can't teach an old dog new tricks, trick the old dog to learn."
-Rannie Raymundo- aka The Boss aka The Manila Enforcer www.rannieraymundo.com www.tapm.proboards80.net |
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Jacob Smith Inner circle Columbus, OH 1871 Posts |
Hey guys, I wanted to put some of the things I have done performing the past few years doing coin magic in the craziest situations imaginable A few things I have can definitely say about perfroming coin magic or any magic surrounded is that audience management is key and on top of that I would have to say the psychology behind misdirection down to the tiniest detail. Some people I studied non-stop to develop my style was out special guest last month, Gregory Wilson(who could hide an elephant under a cup with the right misdirection), Apolo Robbins and James Brown who all have the "guerilla" magic. Good luck on looking into the secrets behind the secrets!!!
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PAUL K Special user Massachusetts 547 Posts |
Mickey Silver is a perfect example that you can perform surrounded. I have seen him perform a lot of times and he uses misdirection to his advantage. His timing is perfect.
I like to perform surrounded and I do it just about every day. Paul |
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critter Inner circle Spokane, WA 2653 Posts |
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On 2011-10-18 18:35, magician 336 wrote: Reed McClintock's lecture notes are another great source for this kind of psychology, if you can find them. I'm not giving mine up
"The fool is one who doesn't know what you have just found out."
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Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
Rannie, ALWAYS like the way you think and how you employ your thinking to your original very delightful performances.
TH
Occupy Your Dream |
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