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brehaut Inner circle kentucky 2531 Posts |
One of my best tools is the memorized deck. I have thought about learning a second one. The reason being: 1) certain memorized decks have features that allow you to do certain effects that others do not and 2) in certain circumstances it helps hide the fact one uses a memorized decks. My question is how many people here use two memorized decks and if so does it cause confusion for you when performing?
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Danyel Loyal user Italy 293 Posts |
PM me, if you want
'People who lean on logic and philosophy and rational exposition
end by starving the best part of the mind' -William Butler Yeats |
bdekolta Inner circle Texas 1636 Posts |
Unless you were using them *very* frequently I don't see that working well at all. On the other hand Harry Eng had multiple memorized packs using an interesting technique that would only be practical for a few people.
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soybntree New user 55 Posts |
Depends how big cards are a put of your routine I've only ever had the need for one
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DrRob Special user Middle Chinnock 952 Posts |
Check out Bob Cassidy's Mental Miracles DVD for a great memorization technique.
Regards Dr Rob. |
Scott Cram Inner circle 2678 Posts |
Simon Aronson, here on the magic Café, once posted a handy tip for instantly memorizing a second deck and not getting it confusing with the first. If you've ever performed the invisible deck, you know how the cards are paired, right (Which suit is paired with which suit, and which value is paired with which value)?
Your second MD stack will consist of the invisible deck counterpart of each card in the Tamariz stack. So, the bottom card will be the 4C, and the card just above it will be the QS, and so on. Get the idea? This also makes it easy to keep the decks mentally separate. |
brehaut Inner circle kentucky 2531 Posts |
Some nice ideas--thanks.
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JohnWells Inner circle The Southern Wild 1791 Posts |
I have two stacks in the memory, BCS and the Joyal stack, but I tend to use BCS (which I memorised because I couldn't do the calculations fast enough) just because I've known it the longest. Since the way I remember the stacks is different (rote memory vs. joyal's method), the two don't get confused, but I don't really find an advantage to having two stacks. Though Michael Close (I think) has observed that it's your second stack that you really master...
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DekEl Inner circle Creates MindTricks. Has exactly: 1172 Posts |
I used to use both BCS and Joval (along with Si Stebbins, technically a stack ), but as of late I transitioned to a SUM deck. In terms of mind reading, it may be one of my best purchases. I use it regularly, even though I'm not a card guy.
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brehaut Inner circle kentucky 2531 Posts |
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On 2011-10-10 23:44, JohnWells wrote: Curious what you (or Michael) mean by "it's your second stack that you really master..." Thanks |
JanForster Inner circle Germany ... when not traveling... 4190 Posts |
My post in another thread:
Use Si Stebbins and a memorized stack: (e. g. using the Aronson stack) replace each card in the stack with that card that precedes the original card, e. g. #1 JS is replaced by the 8H because in Si Stebbins the JS would follow the 8H (CHaSeD order) a. s. o. Result: 2 memorized stacks, only one mental work, 2 completely different appearances. Jan
Jan Forster
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Francois Lagrange Veteran user Paris, France 380 Posts |
Clever idea.
Protect me from my friends, I'll deal with my enemies.
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Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts |
For a while I had in my head two decks orders (Tamariz' Mnemonica and my own stack). Tamariz's one was useful for jazzing with others magicians Today I only can remember my stack and only some of the cards from the mnemonica. Summarizing: it's totally possible to remember both stacks, but you need to refresh them from time to time.
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r1z08 Inner circle 1158 Posts |
I wasn't aware that BCS was considered a mem-deck.
-rob |
Cristobal Loyal user Malaga (Spain) 288 Posts |
As far as I know BCS is an arithmetic stack, but you can memorize it if you will as JohnWells has done. You also can shuffle a deck and memorize it, but if you are going to memorize an order it's much better to build a stack with some interesting properties.
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Jonathan C Regular user 117 Posts |
In 'the berglas effects' it states that Berglas used up to 5 different stacks so it is possible with the right memory techniques.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
TWO?!?!?!!!
Most nights I have trouble remembering my own name leave alone two decks. If I need one of those decks I go with BCS and do lots of Woo Wooing whilst trying to work it out.
Winner of the Dumbringer Award for total incompetence. (All years)
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JohnWells Inner circle The Southern Wild 1791 Posts |
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On 2011-10-11 06:54, brehaut wrote: I'm just quoting. But...Something most classical musicians will tell you, and I assume others as well, is that the first is always the hardest. Learning your second Beethoven sonata is invariably an easier task than mastering the first one because you develop a feel for how to learn a beethoven sonata. I think the same principal applies here. Knowing how I best approach the task of memorizing a stack, the second one I tackled came more readily, and my command of it came much faster. |
brehaut Inner circle kentucky 2531 Posts |
John,
My instinct is that you are exactly right (or I guess Michael is). Thanks |
mike stevenson Loyal user 276 Posts |
I have two just in case I forget one of them. But it hasn't happened yet with my primary one (Aronson's).
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