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Peter_turner V.I.P. Bradford, West Yorkshire 1355 Posts |
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On 2011-11-29 17:47, StJohn wrote: It is very rare that an audience will have this perception; it all comes down to subjective and perspective views. To answer you question no it does not make it reality because a group of people believe it to be so. People saw the earth subjectively; masses believed it was flat and it wasn't until we was offered a perspective view we realised we was wrong. If a performer represents him/herself appropriately (offering a perspective) I cannot see why there would be any speculation in an audiences eyes that they are the same thing. Peter |
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StJohn Regular user 143 Posts |
With the shape of the earth I agree. With hypno it is not the same thing because if you understand it as a performer (as you do) you know why perception of the the person hypnotised is everything.
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innercirclewannabe Inner circle Ireland 1597 Posts |
You can do a full show and mix hypnosis with mentalism & still have an entertaining and thought provoking show. Keith Barry did this a couple of years ago and toured the country with rip-roaring success. Keith is not exactly new to the art though..........
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
The first time I ever say a mentalist was in 1978 on the Isle of Man. He did an hour of mentalism, and then, after the interval, did an hour of hypnosis. The next mentalist I saw (Ronrico from Australia, about four years later) did the same. Kreskin mixed the two. So I have always considered them two aspects of the same art. I gather I am alone in that view, but Keith Barry, as has already been pointed out, did the same sort of show last year. In fact, it is the show I will be touring with from February; an hour of mentalism, an hour of hypnosis.
From one point of view they are a natural match; I read your thoughts, then I control your thoughts.
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
Tony, I don't think you are alone.
What Bob pointed out and, due to my historical research I have to agree with him, it's that the two things were clearly separated in the very beginning. They had to be because - if you think about it - Mentalism as it is known today is relatively young compared to the other art.
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Mindpro Eternal Order 10586 Posts |
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On 2011-11-29 19:14, TonyB2009 wrote: Yes, they can be performed in tandem but that doesn't mean they are they same thing (art form). |
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts |
Kreskin also plays the piano in his show. That doesn't make mentalism and music the same art forms.
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
Bob, really?
Do you mean that's not Hypianotism?
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Is there no end to the study I have to do? I will immediately sign up for piano lessons.
Please don't tell me I have to learn to juggle as well.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
Expanding that: If a magician does a piece of mentalism, is it always seen as mental magic and is mental magic and mentalism two different artforms?
So is the artform defined by the way we perform something? Magic, Mental Magic, Mentalism and Hypnosis when performed separately do come from different places. Of course these can be combined and often are, but then you would have to have an over-all framework or theme so that they can be mixed. Just bolting them together may well work with a certain audience, they would be seen as very disjointed by us. I think that basically whilst Mentalism and Hypnosis are two different things, they can be made to go well together if done correctly. (The audience see it all basically as brainwork and so usually do not have a problem or see much difference)
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Lord Of The Horses Inner circle 5406 Posts |
Shrubsole,
I don't recall that being IN question here.
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Waters Inner circle 2508 Posts |
I agree with Bob and Paolo regarding the separateness (word?) of the two. However many have used the two congruently. Orville Meyer's "Telepathy in Action" seems a congruent amalgam. I think they can compliment each other, if the subtext allows. I am certainly no expert on the two... Just my thoughts.
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bevbevvybev Inner circle UK 2672 Posts |
You can also use the idea of hypnosis being a factor in your show without using any at all. Quite good for adding a layer of 'did what just happened really happen' kind of thing.
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Decomposed Eternal Order High Desert 12059 Posts |
I agree Bev, they never know what hit the after the performance.
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts |
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On 2011-11-29 19:54, Lord Of The Horses wrote: No it wasn't but I thought I'd just expand the discussion as the "Yes they are", "No they are not" has been done. All posts and replies are optional. :)
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