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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
I don't seem to notice poker on tv anymore... And ive also noticed the overall turnout to be dwindling in the poker rooms... where I work, we were running 20-25 tables on a good night with a big waiting list, now we are down to 6-7 tables on regular nights and mabee 8-10 tables on a busy night nowadays....do any of you guys notice this?? Was poker just a mainstream fad? What do you all think?
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
The popularity certainly isn't what it was two years ago.
There's been a noticeable downturn in TV coverage, combined with the devastating hit on online poker in the U.S. and the online games ability to get funds into and out of players accounts. Also, there was (and still is) some issues with the way the major TV coverage edits a game together, and how new players viewed the game as a result of watching it on TV (compared to how they experienced it in real life). I think this caused disenchantment. There are likely the same number of folks around today in B&M joints who actually know how to play.......but a LOT less folks around who don't know how to play, and in fact never really knew how to play...........they got sucked in by the scripted games they saw on TV. I also think a lot of folks new to the game realized over time just how complex Hold'Em really is. I also think a lot of these folks weren't really poker players to begin with, they were "TV Hold'Em" players. (As well, If you sat any of them down to a game of H.O.R.S.E., with a table of experienced players, the TV tyros would crap their pants.) Skill will get you a long ways in Hold'Em, but there's a whole lot more to the game than exercising your "skills"...........I think a whole lot of new players lost a whole lot of glue at the tables, all the while thinking they had a handle on the game. When they actually found out that they didn't possess the tools to win..........they vanished along with their interest on watching the game on TV. I think we've finally caught up with that fallout in terms of the games current drop in popularity. |
tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I think it might have something to do with the fact that the world has gone broke.
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Tony45 Veteran user 384 Posts |
I agree with a lot of what Silverking said, a lot of new players who basically got chewed up thinking they could compete when they couldn't.
In over their heads, so to speak. I also noticed where I work a lot less tables going, hell it used to be I got asked all the time where the poker room was, now its only once in a while. |
Cagliostro Inner circle 2478 Posts |
I believe it may be more a sign of the current economic conditions rather than a lack of interest in poker. I have noticed a considerable fall-off in all casino games in Vegas - Craps, BJ, Roulette, Slots – just about every game except perhaps Baccarat which is supported mostly by Asian players.
I would surmise that most people just don’t have the discretionary income to gamble as much as they used to. This decrease in demand is felt in all casino games, including poker, and consequently it is less profitable to air as many poker TV programs as was previously the case. It is likely that if and when the current economic climate improves sufficiently, we will see an increase in poker again, as well as other casino games, and an increase in poker TV popularity. However, it may be sometime before we experience any renewed interest and the degree of economic improvement will reflect the extent of that renewed interest. Too many people are hurting financially and it is questionable if any future improvement will get back to past levels of economic activity. |
the dealer Regular user las vegas 188 Posts |
I think it has more to do with the economy than poker being dead. I work in a poker room and yes, it's certainly died down. But more so economic hardships.
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silverking Inner circle 4574 Posts |
I certainly don't disagree with the economic downturn causing folks to cut back on gambling.......but I will say that the same 12 or so experienced poker players I've shared tables with in my area since the mid-eighties are still playing weekly games.
If you've played Hold'Em reasonably well, and done so since long before it ever made it to TV.........you're probably still playing it today. Tying the two issues together is relatively easy though........if you're not able to get on top of the game due to lack of skill or understanding, and times are tough for you economically, you'll probably not play any more poker. |
iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
I find the economic downturn increased our business.... its just our poker room that's slow now...
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
Same here, I mean, economic causes. I don't play myself for a few months now.
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iamslow Inner circle Proffessional Slacker 2001 Posts |
If the economic downturn is the reason why you haven't played, then its your poker or cheating skills that's lacking... making money at poker is the same before as it is now.... its a grind...No offence Arnold..
"Everyone has a plan till they get punched in the face" Mike Tyson
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AMcD Inner circle stacking for food! 3078 Posts |
I play local tourneys, leagues or small private games, small buy-ins. It's not my job, it's for fun. But when I can win, I do it (and I have no problem admitting I don't always play legit).
I know that standards of living are not the same in USA and UK but, personally, I never spit on $100 or $200, even $50! Problem is that many tourneys have disappeared, many leagues are closed because... the lack of players. It has nothing to do with my skills at stacking or second dealing, it has to to with the fact that small games become scarce nowadays. Beside, I'm currently unemployed thus, every penny counts. Maybe bigger games are still running on? Certainly, but I couldn't tell you, I don't play them. What I can tell you for sure is that many leagues are gone, even bigger ones than the ones I play. In my area one of the few (4 or 5 in total?) cardrooms/clubs has closed recently. And you can see less and less people going at the local Casinos, you just have to open your eyes on Fridays or Saturdays nights! In order to separate people from their money, you need them to put it on the table first . Again, I'm talking about small games, amateur leagues and so on. Maybe tommy could tell us for clubs and cardrooms? |
DavidGold New user 76 Posts |
All the experts are still here its just that the average person can not afford to gamble to much with this economy.
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jfquackenbush Special user Out here on the desert 607 Posts |
My bank roll is low at the moment and since I don't have income until I'm out of school again I'm stuck playing limit games that I don't care for. So I haven't played in a good long while, but I intend to start again when I'm employed and have some way to get income other than winnings. I think there are probably a lot of serious players who are in a serious situation right now. But I never liked poker on tv and I'm glad if it's going away.
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acesover Special user I believe I have 821 Posts |
Poker play is definitely down from what it was a few years agon but up quite a bit over the last 10 years. The last two years have seen a slowdown at my games. I feel we picked up a lot of new play but lost a lot of wannabees that watched TV and thought this is easy money and really cool.
To make money at poker is a grind and takes patience and a lot of poker knowledge. 5 and 7 card stud which were at one time the main stay are all but dead. It is mostly holdem now. Whether cash or tournament style holden is the game. Omaha is rearing its ugly head and attracting some players.
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the dealer Regular user las vegas 188 Posts |
I work in a well known casino on the strip...unfortunately I work days so naturally its slower. But poker is still something that everyone likes to play, of course tourists are our main clientele, but locals still make there way in. I was actually surprised and we had some business today. We had seven tables going by 2pm, that's good! Lol. I don't think its dead in the mainstream. We also have a steady clientele of Europeans who come to our poker room. I'm grateful for their business.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
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On 2011-12-11 02:05, iamslow wrote: Not so. One's EV is in large part a function of the quality of one's opposition (IIRC, Sklansky has observed that, given some modicum of skill, one's opponent's skill level is a bigger factor than one's own skill level). So if the economy drives out large numbers of bad players, then the games get markedly tougher for reasons that are independent on one's own skill level.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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