On Sep 5, 2014, magic4545 wrote:
[...] I am not including switching dice, because it's simply too risky and it's cheating, in my mind. [...]

On Sep 5, 2014, magic4545 wrote:
So, what things can you do on a regulation craps table to win?

I am not including switching dice, because it's simply too risky and it's cheating, in my mind. Basically, not within the bounds of what I and many consider acceptable practice. But, that being said, someone else might think, 'all's fair', and proceed with it. There is simply too much evidence there, and the casino would probably take their money back that you'd won, one way or another. I don't know from personal experience, and I'd probably be really surprised by how long that it would take for the casino to catch on. Or care. But, I just don't want to do something so offensive and aggressive.

My thinking goes like this. There is a tiny casino advantage when playing a basic pass line bet strategy with odds, and using the come to do this on two additional numbers. I think that it's a 1.4% casino advantage, and everything that you bet taking odds is no advantage.

Dice setting is useless, in my opinion, unless you are utilizing some skill in handling and rolling, and using the discretion to come up short on the wall at opportune times. Like when you've got a full line of doubled odds stacked up on the three numbers that you're playing.

I almost NEVER even get reminded to hit the back wall. But I'm coming up short of the wall by one or both of the dice once or twice in about 20 rolls.

I'm not going to say that I 'control' the dice, since that would be paramount to saying that I can intend a 6 and immediately throw one. I cannot.

What I can say is that I feel confident that I can eliminate a couple of the sevens, consistently. Consistently meaning that when I sevened out, it was either with 2/5 or 3/4. Maybe once in two days did I roll any 1/6. This would be due to hitting the back wall, and the diamonds doing their thing.

If you can get imagine that concept, then you should be able to do the math and realize that I'm putting the miniscule casino advantage back in my favor.

To mostly eliminate any two sevens alters the casino advantage considerably. The ONLY casino advantage to playing on their side, the don't, is that they eliminate the 'don't pass' element by making the boxcars a push. That is the ONLY difference between playing on their side, and playing a right betting strategy.

My technique of rolling sets the dice with the sixes out and the ones facing each other. One of the fives is showing next to one of the showing fours, and the five on the other die is next to the four on the other die, as well. I do a unique backhand claw grip that backspins on release, but very gently, so as to gently touch down just before the wall, hopefully bounce off of the bottom non-diamond diagonal flat wall surface(below the diamonds) and fall back off of that ledge. Done perfectly, the dice stay on the same axis, leaving the 6's and 1's still face out. This eliminates 2 of the 7's that can shorten your roll. I also have the 3/4's and 5/2 never on the same flat plane together, so those are even more unlikely, as well.

All of this attention to the details of setting only takes a few seconds, and encourages longer rolls without a seven.

An imperfect roll allows a one or a six back in, but probably not both. Still, the same eliminated 7's.

If I hit an unwanted series of sevens, I usually just soften my rolls. In retrospect, I've gotten into a groove before that where I started getting confident and rolling faster and more frequently, and unconsciously started throwing with too much force. Concentrating on soft, accurate tosses usually gets me back to where I want to be.

When I have a lot of money on the table, occasionally I'll risk a throw so soft that it comes up short of the wall.

Another kiss of death is when the dice clash against each other and throw themselves away from each other. You can feel this happen when you have a not so effective roll, and, a lot of times, you can just feel a seven coming when that happens.

But, all of this takes skill, practice, thought and technique.

If you're on a magic forum, look at the kind of magic that you're drawn to. If you like self working, sure fire, jazz-free magic with no chance of failure, then all of this might be offensive to you.

But, if you're a magician or mentalist who likes to work your way out of a corner with creativity and finesse, then you might actually get some value out of this kind of thing.

I see a lot of very angry people when I post things like this, but that seems to be the way that this area of the Café goes.

If it were easy, everybody would be doing it. And if everybody were doing it, the casinos would not be as profitable as they are, and they would go to machines for rolling for you, cups, no dice setting allowed, etc. They haven't, because they don't believe that you can do what you're doing, and not enough people are hitting them for what I am.

I am considerate, and tip the dealers while I'm making money. A few know what I'm doing, because when I offer the boys a $5 bet on hard eight, they usually ask if they can bet next to me on the pass line. They know where the dice are rolling.

If I wasn't having at least a little bit of success with this, do you think that they would be requesting specific placement? Don't you think that they would be putting their bet on the don't?

I'm not saying that I don't ever get a cold streak. You STILL have to use good gambling mentality. Don't roll when you're not feeling well, hungry, upset or just not in a positive place. Eat good meals. Take breaks to do other things that you like. Feel good about what you're doing. Don't gamble with money that you can't afford to lose.

Remember, all physics and math aside, a negative attitude towards this type of thing cannot help. It's all about action. I don't mind losing a hundred bucks if I get 4 days of action. You must love playing craps, not be trying to become a millionaire.

I am a winner, but, yes, I HAVE lost before. But, I use the one skill that doesn't take that much skill to lessen my losses. A skill that the casino doesn't generally have access to. It's called walking away, and winning another day.

Why do people get so angry when this kind of thing is posted? What is the attachment to the hate that spews when something like this is posted. I'm not lying. I'm not exaggerating. I'm not belittling the open minded readers. I'm just offering tips and insight into a strategy that I'm comfortable with, that I've tested, and that might help other like minded readers who might want to increase their chances and enjoyment of this game.

Jimmy

On Sep 21, 2014, Dannydoyle wrote:


Wouldn't it have been easier just to say you are a sucker who has no clue what he is talking about?

If you told a casino this plan and told them you would put a few hundred grand in play they would send a jet to pick you up. You would leave broke n