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M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
I am building a few illusions myself instead of a professional illusion builder to save some costs, as I would not be able to afford all of this. I am not building this myself, but having someone who has experience building things with wood, metal, and other materials to do it for me.
*There is no guarantee that I will actually build it! It mainly depends on the COST and difficulty of building the illusion. One of the 3 things I hope to tackle on is the Asrah Levitation (That can be performed on any stage, under any lighting condition) 1) The Asrah Form: http://www.klamm-magic.com/cgi-bin/web_s......match=on This is the only place I could find an Asrah form. One that can be controlled without any special stage requirements, lighting or rigging. - How is this one? Is it any good or are there other better ones? 2) The Table: Is there a place that I can buy a table for this Asrah levitation? I hope its not much, because if it is, Id be better off building it myself. I've seen one performed where the table looks really thin at first, there a square block pattern in the front that falls down. Then she is covered and then levitates. I have seen this for sale somewhere... - Where is it? - How good is it compared to a standard deceptive base? 3) The Plans: If I do find it, and its more that I hoped for, I'll end up building a table. Do I go for the Osborne Asrah plans for building a table or use another illusions and just use that table?
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Blair Marshall Inner circle Montreal, Canada 3660 Posts |
Osborne plans for the Asrah are very good, one of mine (I have 3) is built from these plans.
I believe the Asrah that you are thinking of with the see thru curtain in front is Owens Gossamer Flight with their form (which I hear is one of the best in the business) makes it an amazing illusion. It packs VERY small!! Blair
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magictim Veteran user Lake Charles, LA 396 Posts |
Steven's magic has a book called the "Complete Book of Asrah" that gives several styles of the form and table. Geoffrey Durham also has a neat form in his book that I am in the process of building. You might give these books a shot.
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john wills Special user 939 Posts |
Frymus,
Keep in mind that there is a big difference between Asrah and Gossamer. The traditonal Asrah needs STAGE setting = special lighting and rigging. It's not an illusion playing surrounded (and the Gossamer had that "problem" too). Working on an asrah-gimmick is not easy. In another thread you can find some hints on that. But the most important question is: what is the goal of your performance; are these the best illusions for YOUR act ?! |
M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
I asked about the Gossamer levitation to Owens, and its way more money that what I hoped to spend.
That one illusion would cost me about 3 illusions that I could build myself. Not worth it especially if I cant afford it. So, the form from 'Klamm-Magic' Does anyone know if that's a good form to buy? Or are there other better ones I can buy? And for the table, what would be a good design to do, and which plans would be best suited for me to build a table? Just the Asrah Levitation plan from Paul Osborne? - New Asrah? Just to make sure, I am hoping to pull this off: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnE9imOLeyM&feature=related Just with a different own built table, and if the form from Klamm-Magic is good, id use that one.
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M Sini Inner circle 1359 Posts |
I have the form from Klamm (Jim Sommers) and it's excellent.
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makeupguy Inner circle 1411 Posts |
I've seen both the gossamer and the klamm forms up close.. and held them both.... they are not even comparable to being the same type of gimmick they're so different.
that being said.. Both are clumsy and take way more work than most are willing to sped and more talent than some people have. Both are VERY hard to convincingly "ditch" at the end of the routine... the KLAMM ESPECIALLY for a number of reasons that I can't get into on an open forum, since what we're talking about borders on exposure.. but is so out of context in it's current conversation I think it'll be safe. To be honest.. I think there are better illusions available to you for the work that has to go into both of these for the effect acheived. I have 3 friends that keep their Sommers (klamm) asrah in it's box in the basement rather than use it because it's so cumbersome to perform and they feel bad selling it to some unsuspecting perfomer. That being said.. if you want one.. I know a guy in Canada that will sell it to you fairly cheaply. |
john wills Special user 939 Posts |
Hi Frymus,
Now you have a little problem. You give a link and those illusionists show the Gossamer !!! That's NOT an Asrah, it's Asrah-like. The next problem is the table; it would not be my choice. I have doubt about the net: why. Do some more research to another bed, is my opinion. |
M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
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On 2012-04-30 15:21, john wills wrote: Yes, I know its not the Asrah. I realized its the Gossamer levitation. I didn't know that, but I found out from other earlier posts. Forget about the title. And honestly, I'm not a fan of the table either. I like how its deceptive, but not my taste. I am actually looking at a single bed for the 'table'. Quote:
On 2012-04-30 15:18, makeupguy wrote: Hmm.. I was reading on other posts, and heard some good things about it. I also contacted Tim Clothier, hoping he would be able to make one, and see how much it would be, as I've apparently heard he can make them.
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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john wills Special user 939 Posts |
Hi Frymus,
For sure, you are on the right way, because Tim Clothier is a good professional builder. A professional builder can also give you clear performance advices. For the table: it has to fit the style of your performance. If you would built it yourself, I would vote for the Osborne New Asrah and fit it in your chosen style. But again: building the form is DIFFICULT ! And the staging is a bit difficult too. And now a hint: a bed is a bed; go to Vimeo and type: Bed, portal and spears Marcel Kalisvaart. Make the bed more sturdy and voila. |
M.Frymus Loyal user Oakville, Ontario, Canada! 293 Posts |
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On 2012-04-30 16:39, john wills wrote: that's why I want to buy a form and build a bed. Unless, if I find a builder who can make it for an affordable price.
MICHAEL FRYMUS
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