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Snoogans Regular user 138 Posts |
Guys,
How should a person hold a pendelum during a seance? Is there a special way to hold it so involuntary muscular response does the rest? Thanks! |
Tim Dowd Special user ...Making the Magic Happen! 942 Posts |
Timothy Dowd
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MentalistCreationLab Inner circle 1528 Posts |
Snoogans, have a look at just about any book on the subject of how to use a pendelum. I could give you a few more tips but not in a open forum area, when you hit 50 post go to the crypt and this can be discused more there.
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cirrus Inner circle his minions made 1751 Posts |
Read a good book on pendulums first, most of your questions will be answered by then. A good start might be Freddy valentine's book on pendulums. Some better suggestions will be given later in this thread (if someone knows any. I only know of the freddy valentine book). Every esoteric shop carries books on pendulums that are good for the normal use of pendulums.
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Joshua J Inner circle 1014 Posts |
I'll repost an old review of different books, doesn't contain trybill or routines for mystery performers which are worth a read as well. If your using them for seances I would recommend reading as much as you can get your hands on. Freddie's is a good start probably with you saying you want to use it for seance work (I did contribute towards it, but in no way profit from any sales).
Having spent a lot of this Summer going over any pendulum material I can find I thought I'd summarise the options available. I did contribute something small towards one of the ebooks, but will try to avoid too much bias. I've not discussed all of them. The two pages in Scarne I gave a miss. Docc Hilford's excellent take on the crystal locket (I will review the vault at some point, but want to watch again). Kenton Knepper's work on pendulums I haven't read (radar crystal pendulum puts me off a bit). Koran's work comes up in others, so I've left for now and same for a few others. There has been a lot of material put out on pendulums recently and really you could read all of these and still barely scratch the nuances of pendulums, but there are a good start. If it's a subject that interests you get as many as you can get your hands on. George Anderson-The magic pendulum (1980) Selling for about £5 George explains his introduction to the pendulum through the farmers traditions of using the pendulum as a sex detector for chicken eggs. It gives a very basic explanation of how to use the pendulum. The booklet then gives 14 routines. Several location tricks, esp, playing cards, a number prediction, a discussion of the ouija board and pendulums,a reworking of the crystal locket by Dr Jaks and a serial number divination. The number prediction contains a beautifully simple number force. Advantages Cheap, contains a good number of effects Disadvantages Doesn't go into much detail of ideomotor motion and how to use the pendulum in spectators hands. Freddie Valentine-the pendulum book http://www.lybrary.com/pendulum-book-p-114269.html" target="_blank" target="_blank Selling for $21 Freddie's book is primarily aimed at the bizzarre and occult magic market, but will work as a good intro on pendulum work. It gives details about pendulums, where to buy, types. It gives a good explanation of how to use a pendulum. It then covers the use a pendulum chart. There is information on using the pendulum for divining objects. There is an article by me on how to make a pendulum, then Dale Shrimpton's excellent séance piece. It details the use of the pendulum for a séance glass then a few final words. Advantages It's one of the cheapest, contains a good explanation of how to use the pendulum, it's giving you the info to work out your own effects. Disadvantages It is aimed at the bizarre market, so two of the effects are intended for seances, they could be adapted still. Richard Webster-Pendulum power for the psychic entertainer http://www.deceptionary.com/webster.html" target="_blank" target="_blank Selling for $35 Richard Webster's gives a bit of background information of the history of pendulums. He gives an outline of a basic routine which explains the use of the pendulum. There are a few experiments to try with the pendulum. These are good primers before going into an extended pendulum routine. It then contains a good number of tricks to perform. The tricks are all very simple and nice ideas. The book finishes with an extensive list of other sources of information on the pendulum. Advantages Good explanation of how to use the pendulum, nice experiments to do with participants and several solid routines to get everyone involved. Disadvantages It's one of the most expensive. It isn't the best made book. Banachek-psyhophysiological though reading Price varies I got it for £5, but goes up to £50 in a double edition with H.J. Burlingame how to read peoples minds This is Banachek's book on muscle reading. I'm just going to discuss the chapter on pendulums. It contains a bit of background on the history. It then discusses the build of the pendulum. It gives an ideal length, which I don't agree with. Different spectators respond differently. Heavier weights and shorter lengths give different reactions. I find one of my shorter heavier pendulums better with less responsive participants. There isn't an exact length that is suited to everyone. He gives details of a few items for impromptu pendulums. There are details of pendulums use in private readings, finding lost objects and then tricks. It has a horoscope routine, which could be nice, but I feel is a bit long in the reveal as it stands. Advantages The books contains more than just pendulum use giving one of the best works on muscle reading, it has a good explanation of muscle reading. Disadvantages I'm not very keen on any of the tricks. Bob Cassidy-Pendulum of fate http://www.lybrary.com/pendulum-fate-p-583.html" target="_blank" target="_blank Selling for $25 Bob gives some of the best background information to pendulums of any publication. It has an interesting idea for a horizontal pendulum; a different build for a pendulum. This idea allows you to use a pendulum with you and a spectator, which I've found too be a bit more engaging than the performer using it. The tricks give a colour prediction, number prediction and a locator trick. Advantages It details some of the best background on pendulums. The historical use of pendulums should spark a few ideas. The horizontal pendulum is a nice way of engaging you and a participant in a routine. It gives good details for you to come up with your own ideas. Disadvantages The tricks are requiring you to buy extra props. One of the routines could cost up to £60 to get the necessary props for a very simple routine that can be achieved in cheaper ways. I'd say your unlikely to use the routines as they are written. Pablo Amira-Ideas vol.1 pendulums http://ideaspendulums.blogspot.com/" target="_blank" target="_blank Selling at $40 One of the biggest works on the topic. It gives a solid introduction to how to use the pendulum, ideomotor response and yes/no exercise, programming the pendulum. It gives good hints on how to make sure it works in the spectators hands. The first effects Pablo covers are time based effects. He discusses using the pendulum to enhance time effects. I'd say you'll get the most out of this if you already have a few time effects or at least knowledge of the main methods for stopping watches, changing time, etc. You would still be able to manage effects, but a bit of foreknowledge will help. Pablo explains how to use pendulums to enhance several PK effects, most of these are suing other props. However they are all fairly common magic items, which you are likely to have or else could get easily if one of the ideas takes your fancy. There are then various effects listed including a few using a witness (chambered) pendulum. The section on Pablo's suggestion force isn't as well written as the rest of the ebook. It took a few reads to understand a little bit of what he was getting at. The remaining effects are largely locating objects/predictions. They are detailed and Pablo references inspirations. Advantages An awful lot of ideas, some good food for thought, a good initial explanation of how to use the pendulum and how to have the spectator use it. Disadvantages It is the most expensive. The odd bit I had to reread to get the meaning, not very often though. A few of the effects require more than just a pendulum, either knowledge of other effects or props. Most of these aren't expensive props. Pendulum magic-David Thiel http://www.magicpendulums.com/" target="_blank" target="_blank Selling $19.95 currently but I think it's going up. David is very entertaining as a writer. His introduction had be grinning like a fool. Rick Hennessey gives a quick introduction to the history of the pendulum and his interest and his shop mentalcraft. The first routine is pendulum plus by Richard Osterlind. He gives some helpful tips before going into the routine. The routine involves using a pendulum in the spectators hands to predicts a number. I was frankly a bit disappointed with this routine from someone so well respected. The use of a pendulum for a number prediction in this way seems a bit of a frivolous use of such a powerful tool. I'm sure it'll get ok reactions, but it's not for me. The next routine comes from Vic Nadata, known for his work with outlaw effects. This is a nice routine invoking memories of grandparents. This strikes me as being a very powerful routine. I won't be using it myself in it's current form (I have a complicated history with grandparents), which I expect may be the case for many readers. But is has certainly got my imagination going. Mauricio Jaramillo routine do as I do has nothing to do with the card trick of same name. It predicts the number of matchsticks out of a choice of several boxes. It's a nice routine, gives several methods, but lacks an emotional hook that I look for in a pendulum routine. David's own routine “a way to a woman's heart” is one of my favourites in this document. It is funny, engaging and I'm sure will entertain. Love it. TC Tahoe's routine talks about improvising and gives a Christmas themed routine. Paul Prater's routine El Brujo is a great storytelling effect. Paul's trademark certainly has to be strong stories and this didn't disappoint. Advantages Several good engaging routines, the book is part of a wider projects (check site) Disadvantages A few routines require specific decks that will cost extra money (alternatives are given for some routines) |
cirrus Inner circle his minions made 1751 Posts |
Those books at magicpendulums, are those pdf's?
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David Thiel Inner circle Western Canada...where all that oil is 4005 Posts |
Yup...they are all PDFs.
The one Joshua referenced is the introductory book for people just starting to work with pendulums. We have a second eBook also with contributions from Bob Cassidy and a host of others. It's more advanced and concentrates on the routines and concepts for routines. We're planning out the third (and hopefully final) book in the trilogy right now. Thanks Joshua for the kind words! David
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Joshua J Inner circle 1014 Posts |
No problem David they've both been solid releases. I'm not keen on all the routines. But almost all the authors add valuable performance experience. I've only used a few of the routines and none of them more than a few times, but the tips within the routines are well worth the price. Paul Prater's and Paul Voodini's I would expect to be enjoyed by most residents of spooky.
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cirrus Inner circle his minions made 1751 Posts |
I'm planning my performances and my acts, so maybe (when I'm through the jinx, pentagra, new pentagram, compleat invocation and the few books), and I don't have enough routines yet, I might buy this. Although I would like a nice pendulum routine.
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Joshua J Inner circle 1014 Posts |
Hilford's living and dead is one of my favourites, although not for everyone. My own routine in the mystic menagerie I use in several forms. The one for MM was Jack the Ripper, but wrote it with several other presentations. Ridiculous method, but I enjoy the theatrics of the piece.
http://www.themysticmenagerie.com/Issue%......%20.html Richard Webster's introduction for spectators is solid. I use it a lot before going into anything else. Freddie's book goes into several use for spirit glasses that I like to use. Dale Shrimpton's ring out the dead has many uses for people working in bizarre magic. |
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On 2012-06-13 15:40, Joshua J wrote: I agree! An awesome effect in the right hands. . .
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