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false_shuffle Regular user Omaha, NE 193 Posts |
Does anyone know if a seance cloth and/or hand exists with the capability of the fingers of the gaffed hand being able to move individually? (instead of all the fingers being a single fake unit) This would have the added benefit of being able to wiggle the fingers of both hands thus proving both hands are supposedly holding onto the cloth. Please no responses about how this isn't necessary. I realize it's not completely necessary but it would be nice to have that added benefit of added convincer. Thanks for your help.
Daniel Rasmussen
Omaha, NE |
Frank Simpson Special user SW Montana 883 Posts |
I know this is not what you want to hear, but good advice is good advice.
Harry Blackstone used to say, "If no one is chasing you, don't run." He gives the example of handling a gaffed glass. Do not call unnecessary attention by stating "I have here an ordinary glass". Instead, merely handle it like an ordinary glass. An audience knows a glass from daily use so there's no use in giving the gaff attention that it does not need; they can plainly see what it is. A Seance Cloth is similarly simplistic and therefore warrants less attention, not more. It does not make any sense to put the heat on yourself. Too often magicians want to "convince" themselves more than an audience by telling the audience that they need to be convinced. A good example being excessive "hand-washing" during manipulation routines. If you find a device such as you're looking for, chances are it will not perform in a convincing manner, but will look like fake fingers wiggling. Of course if you are willing to spend thousands of dollars you may find an intricate mechanism that will do the trick. I would recommend contacting "Makeupguy" here at the Café, as he is well-versed in prosthetics and would be most likely to give you the most accurate information. Speaking personally, I would work more on keeping the one hand convincingly still to match, rather than making a wiggly hand that really will only ultimately serve to distract from the effect being presented. |
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false_shuffle Regular user Omaha, NE 193 Posts |
Thanks for the responses guys. I agree, but at the same time disagree. Sometimes the extra little touches make the difference between something good and great. Take for example Copperfields squeeze box. The feet wiggle.. but they don't have too. With something like the seance cloth , I do believe the audience would suspect a fake hand....or at least some intelligent spectators, perhaps not everyone. Audiences aren't stupid.
Daniel Rasmussen
Omaha, NE |
semo Loyal user San Jose, CA 300 Posts |
The Yoshino fake hand has separate fingers. When they are on the top of the cloth and your fingers are inside, you can wiggle them. Of course, once your hand is out, they remain still. This may be enough of the convincer that could do the trick for you. HandzUp does not have individual fingers.
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false_shuffle Regular user Omaha, NE 193 Posts |
Thank you!
Daniel Rasmussen
Omaha, NE |
magicians Inner circle Teacher and Legend 2898 Posts |
That ability to move the fingers calls attention to a subtle
gimmick. That also allows them to compare both hands and the gimmick never measures up. The is a cheap set of hands (hands-up), that moves rather convincingly. But in order to have continuity, I attach both sets to the bar so they match. I can also alternate the use of the hand. The fingers on that cheaper set, are fused, but the movement you can get is very natural.
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makeupguy Inner circle 1411 Posts |
Think to yourself.. you grab the top of a cloth. or a rake.. or a bat.
do your fingers move once you've gripped it? NOPE Therefore, there is no need for the seance hand to move. It would be really nice if it looked like your other hand.. I think an accurate visual is more important than any type of movement... in fact.. I think that movement would, as Ian says, call attention to a prop that should never have attention called to it. Just keep in mind what your hands do in real life.. which is grip.. not wiggle. |
false_shuffle Regular user Omaha, NE 193 Posts |
Of course the wiggling would only be for a brief moment or moments. Not the entire time of course.
I saw a demo of this hand on magic geek. It does look pretty convincing.
Daniel Rasmussen
Omaha, NE |
LeeAlex2002 Inner circle 1007 Posts |
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Bill Nuvo Inner circle 3094 Posts or 2742 Posts |
I use the Yoshino one mentioned above. Yes, you move them just briefly as you grasp the rod (a lot of times you do a minor adjust as you place your hand on the rod). It's a hardly noticed subtlety, but psychologically worth it I believe as the brain will often notice something out of place ....like the wiggling of fingers after that initial grab when that normally doesn't happen.
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