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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2013-01-21 22:34, Isaiah wrote: I'll look forward to meeting you there.
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thomhaha Regular user northfield IL 162 Posts |
Thanks for all the details. I am planning to make a square circle for myself, and all the info you collectively provide is very useful!
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thomhaha Regular user northfield IL 162 Posts |
Having read extensively through various forum threads on Square Circle, I am wondering of the merits / detriments of including canvas hinges at 3 of the 4 corners of the square. My reasoning: pack flat; canvas hinges more versatile than piano hinges; canvas hinges easier to paint & retains the paint better than piano hinge. The detriment I can imagine is handling: I’d like to manipulate the square (I’m a juggler, so spinning objects in my hands just seem to happen naturally). Would appreciate your insights. - tb
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
It the box was to fold flat, I can only visualize that any type of hinges would have to be mounted on the inside (except bi-fold cloth hinges, which would need to be fastened both inside and out). Assuming they are on the inside, no paint would be needed, as you want to velvet cover the interior. Just glue the velvet onto the hinge and continue around the corner.
The hardest part would be attaching the 4th hinge. The first 3 could be done with all the panels flat on the table. The 4th would have to be inside, while you are not. Short screwdriver and lots of patience. One way around that would be to have one or more of the hinges with a loose pin that could be removed, and later replaced. Regarding a folding 4-sided box with cloth hinges that can be made rigid - I can envision one way that it could be done. It would involve a hinged panel on the inside that when opened would lock in at 90 degrees to the rest of the panels. When closed it would be recessed flush with its panel. I can visualize the construction so as not to compromise the necessary interior of the box, but It would take me less time to build it than it would to describe it. Ha! There might be a way around this though... If the corners were braced with molding strips inside, the box could be made to pin hinge together and the overlap configuration would naturally prevent the box from racking. Somehow though, it seems to me that there could be a manner of assembling a four sided box that would not require hinges, and would remain rigid. Maybe someone else can enlighten us both.
~michael baker
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thomhaha Regular user northfield IL 162 Posts |
Thanks Michael! Several of your comments and photos is what started me en route to building this prop.
Yes, I was envisioning bi-fold cloth hinges, and in three of the four corners. Still wondering if folding flat is worthwhile or compromises the piece. Be assured, before I start cutting wood I will make a prototype, probably in foam core. |
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AGMagic Special user Cailf. 775 Posts |
I can visualize this being built without hinges. The square could have slots cut on the top and bottom edges of the adjoining sides (top of one edged and the bottom of the other)so that the pieces just slip together to lock them in place. This would be kind of like holding your hands in front of you, palms facing you, with with your fingers pointing at each other then rotating one hand 90 degrees so your fingers will slip together.
What I don't understand is what this would buy you. You mention packing flat, but the circle is still round and rigid. Since the square is only slightly larger than the circle so I don't see significant space being saved.
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Michael Baker Eternal Order Near a river in the Midwest 11172 Posts |
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On 2013-02-08 17:59, AGMagic wrote: Buzz kill...
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thomhaha Regular user northfield IL 162 Posts |
AGMagic, thanks twice. The slotted sides makes more sense than the canvas hinges I was imagining. You also answered a question I did not realize I was asking: what benefit is gained by trying to flat-pack this prop; it seems not much. But, does maybe assembling the square as part of the act add performance value? That's something probably answered only with experimentation. Thanks for assisting in this thought-experiment.
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AGMagic Special user Cailf. 775 Posts |
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On 2013-02-09 23:39, thomhaha wrote: Assembling the square could add to the illusion. If you brought out the stack of pieces and assembled them in front of the audience, it would guarantee that they didn't see a load chamber attached to the box. This could make it somewhat more deceptive or it could have the opposite effect. Once you have removed that possibility, there is really only one possibility left. That, added to the additional time to build the square could have a detrimental effect on the illusion. Mark Wilson's AllaKazam Hat "square" is hinged on the rear corner by necessity due to the rim of the hat. Without the hinge, you could not remove the square from the circle. This made the square very open and you saw all sides of it. Most did not find this to be an issue with the trick, so maybe it is not a problem. I guess my main concern would be slowing the pacing of the trick, but again, that may not be an issue.
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billappleton Inner circle Los Gatos, California 1154 Posts |
For what it's worth here is mine, our own Jay Leslie made the interior tube out of sheet metal. There is also a PVC interior part if you get my drift...
http://www.dreamfactory.com/magic/square_circle.jpg I use this at almost every show! |
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Scotty Walsh Loyal user Ireland 207 Posts |
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On 2013-02-08 19:11, Michael Baker wrote: I had the same thought tonight. I was thinking about how to make a Square Circle pack flat, and then I wondered what would be the point. But I do agree that assembling the pieces 'could' be a very nice idea. Maybe biscuits are the way to go? Maybe it would be nice to have a table drape. Remove the drape to show the table is clean; and then replace the table cloth and assemble all of the apparatus. Wouldn't want to be "too perfect" now, would we? |
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TheRaven Special user 597 Posts |
Hmmm. This thread prompted ideas about a real trash can as the inner visible tube and a lattice front for the square. Some areas people keep their trash cans in a lattice box to keep out animals. A false bottom in the trash can could slide up into the lid when replaced on the square -- and then be removed with the lid for production. Just not sure how to carry the theme of trash can through the production.
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