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sumedik New user 28 Posts |
Hello all,
Well I would like to know of some effects possible with 4 cards, where the cards could be of any suit/value. However in this effect, the back of only ONE card can be shown(as the others are of different back color). In other words, I know like to know of some routines which can be done with 4 face up ungimicked cards. The only ideas that come to my head are mini oil and water and maybe a face up monte (with 3 cards, while keeping the 4th aside). Is there any other possibilities? Please share your knowledge. |
Andy Young Special user Jersey Shore, PA 813 Posts |
Odd Quad by Daryl
Presented as a betting idea that the spectator no matter what will always pick the ace with an odd colored back. The end has that all four aces have different colored backs. I use this one regularly. |
sumedik New user 28 Posts |
Well, in my case, I would not be able to show the backs of all 4 cards at the same time, as 4 cards have 4 different backs, which is required as a part of the routine. I would be able to show the back of only ONE card.
mini oil and water and face up monte (not sure how to work that out as typical DL etc cannot be used as the faces are seen), I was thinking of some effects based on the turnover change concept (maybe put the only ace whose back can be shown aside face down and ask the spectator to choose any of the remaining three face up in my hand and vanish the one they choose and show that it is actually the face down ace). I was also thinking that a twisting effect can be shown, with some modifications. Any more ideas? |
Andy Young Special user Jersey Shore, PA 813 Posts |
Sumedik,
I don't think you researched the effect that I posted about <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7arxaPTxcLE">here is a link for Odd Quad</a>. I think that this one does meet your specs, but if it doesn't please explain a little further on what you really are trying to achieve because I am having a hard time understanding your second post as you say you will only be able to show the back of one card, if you only show the back of one card throughout the routine then you don't need different colored backs. |
Andy Young Special user Jersey Shore, PA 813 Posts |
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mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
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On 2013-02-22 08:53, Andy_Young wrote: As you I have difficulty in understanding what he wants to do, but I'm afraid Odd Quad is no good in his case. Anyway, I'd like to say that Odd Quad is GREAT! I carry it with me in my wallet and it's wonderful to break the ice. Quick, colourful and easy and has great reactions. A true gem from Daryl! mlippo |
sumedik New user 28 Posts |
Hello Andy,
Well I did research that effect. That effect is all about showing that the aces have different backs. Which does not suit my case. Here is the routine I am thinknig of, I hope that would clear up the dificulty in understanding. The theme is imagination. Start saying I cannot show a trick as I do not have a deck with me. As an afterthought, tell the spectator that we could try to play with our imaginations to create an effect. So I ask him to take out an imaginary deck from his pocket and pick the 4 aces out for me(some DB style pattering might help him in actually naming the aces, folowing which I can ask him to take the 4 aces out). I reach out an produce 4 aces (imaginary cards bcome real). I show the cards have red backs (flustration/duplicount). Then I insist that even though the cards seem real, they are really not. So strange things happen with them. Colors nearby influence our imagination, and so if the 4 cards are seen agin near a blue object (spectators shirt, my shirt, blue background...anything), the cards seem to have blue backs (another flustration/duplicount to show 4 blue backs). Now I need some ideas to show some 4 ace effects. Then I repeat again that all these effects are possible only because we are visualizing our imagination and not manipulating real cards. To stress my point, I show all 4 cards are actually blank on both sides(at least 2 blank surfaces are needed to show this via hamman count, false turnover and another hamman count to show BOTH sides blank). I thank the spectator for helping me with vivid imagination, patter that I would love to give the 4 cards to him to keep as memento but that is not possible as the 4 cards are only imaginary(invisible deal to make the cards vanish). So that is the idea. Produce cards from imagination, do some effects and lose them to imagination again. I am stuck in the middle phase, where I need to show a few things with the 4 aces face up. Over there, I have already shown the red and blue backs and have to hide the 2 other blank backs. As per storyline, sine the cards have changed from red to blue backs, at this stage, I can show the blue back and the 4 aces. I hope things make more sense now. Also provide some feedback on the proposed routine. |
mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
If it's just you handling the cards, you are not just restricted to four cards. Having five would allow you more chioces and maybe less technique repeating?
Just brainstroming here mlippo |
sumedik New user 28 Posts |
Hello,
Yes brainstorming is the reason I created the thread. 5 cards are certainly a possibility, but it means one card has to be hidden all through the routine. What possibilities can you think of with 5 cards? |
mlippo Inner circle Trieste (Italy) 1227 Posts |
Since you seem to want a certain number of changes on the cards (blank faces , aces, red backs, blue backs) an extra (or two extra cards) allow you such effects without using the same sleight (e.g. Flus***** C++++) repeatedly, since it's a sleight that does not allow this..
Dunno what your sleight arsenal is, though, but since you're talking about the appeaeance and disappearence of a packet of cards, I presume you haven't started yesterday. Remember also that we cannot go too much into detail openly on the forum. mlippo |
DomKabala Inner circle I've grown old after diggin' holes for 2827 Posts |
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sumedik New user 28 Posts |
Hello,
Well I have been in the scene for a decade. In my effect there are 2 instances of false display. At one time I could use flustration and duplicount another time. Rumba count is also another option. To the spectator, it looks different. Apart from that there no replicated moves... |
sumedik New user 28 Posts |
I did some research and feel that Invisible Palm can be a good option. Slight modification is needed during display(after transposition), where instead of face down, the cards would be placed face up. The back of one card can be used to do the tent vanishes, but the gripping angle needs to be adjusted a bit.
I like Mark Bautista's and Arnaud Chevrier's versions as they do not use any extra card. Arnaud has a killer ending, but the tutorial for the same is supposed to be somewhere "underground", as far as I know of. Could anybody let me know where to find it? |
Atom3339 Inner circle Spokane, WA 3242 Posts |
Guys, I think this should be posted in Secret Sessions. Sumedik, Secret Sessions opens up after you post at least 50 HELPFUL posts. I think you would get more detailed creative feedback this way.
WELCOME to the Café!
TH
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sumedik New user 28 Posts |
Thanks for the welcome man....
Secret sessions is certainly some distance away...some help now would have been more useful... Lets see... |
Vlad_77 Inner circle The Netherlands 5829 Posts |
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On 2013-02-26 13:39, sumedik wrote: Perhaps you could PM some of the folks who have responded here. That way you can discuss methodology without worrying about exposure. Namaste, Vlad |
sumedik New user 28 Posts |
Hello Vlad,
I would certainly do that. The only reason for asking for that tutorial is to figure out the last vanish. I understand how everything else is done. Namaste, S |
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