On 2013-05-24 15:36, Woland wrote:
Hi tommy,

The fact that someone decided to award damages to someone, does not necessarily prove anything.

Hi Lobo,

The Sabin (oral) polio vaccine is a live, attenuated virus. That is, it is a polio virus that has been bred to become so weak that it does not cause significant disease. But 1 in a million doses reverts to the "wild type," and a small number of those viruses may cause severe disease, as happened in the case you describe. One way of avoiding that problem altogether, was to administer inactivated polio virus vaccine by injection at least once, before giving the oral polio vaccine. Since 2000, the CDC has recommended giving two doses of the injectable, inactivated virus vaccine alone, and no oral polio vaccines are now generally used in the United States.

On 2013-05-24 15:38, tommy wrote:
If the Italian Health Ministry conceded the MMR vaccine caused autism and paid out thousands in damages goes not prove anything then what does?

ON March 9, 2009, four-week-old Dana McCaffery's heart stopped after whooping cough left her tiny lungs unable to breathe. Her mother Toni could not watch as medical staff unhooked her daughter from the hopelessly inadequate life support system, but her husband Dave did, and crumpled with grief.

"Dave was screaming," says Toni.

"I told him to be quiet. I just wanted to soothe my child."

As Toni held her tiny baby, she couldn't comprehend the loss, or how they would survive the sorrow.

Little did they know then that Dana's death from whooping cough, and the media coverage that followed, came to represent a very inconvenient truth to the anti-vaccination lobby - and thus began an extraordinary campaign against this grieving family.

The McCafferys are today breaking their silence on the cyber bullying,the anonymous letters and the cruelty of some members of the anti-vaccination movement.

The couple has been accused of being on the payroll of drug companies; they have had their daughter's death questioned and mocked; they have even been told to "harden the f . . . up" by an opponent of vaccination.

"The venom directed at us has just been torture and it's been frightening, abhorrent and insensitive in the extreme," says Toni, who has not had the strength to talk about this until now.

The invasion of the McCafferys' grief started the day before they buried their baby girl. Meryl Dorey, who heads up the Bangalow-based Australian Vaccination Network, rang the head of the North Coast Area Health Service, Paul Corben, to demand Dana McCaffery's autopsy reports.

She wanted proof that Dana actually died of whooping cough. Dorey has no medical training, but she wrote this on a blog defending her actions.

"When this little girl's death was announced, the media were reporting several things that made me question that this baby had actually died of whooping cough. I contacted the head of the public health unit and asked if this case of pertussis (whooping cough) had been laboratory diagnosed."

She was told it had been a quick test but pushed further, wanting to know if there was a bacterial culture.

She was denied the information.

"To my mind, while an entire community of conscientious objectors were being victimised by the government and the media and being blamed for the death of a child who was too young to be vaccinated, I had every right to ask for this information," Dorey wrote.

Toni disagreed: "They were just tearing apart everything we had just witnessed and lived through..

"It just made me feel sick to the stomach, but it was just the beginning."

On May 3, 2009, Dorey wrote that Dana caught whooping cough in the hospital as a newborn: "The only thing that is fairly certain, according to Dana's doctor, is that she probably did come into contact with pertussis in the hospital - not after she went home."

The McCafferys began to receive anonymous letters to their home address, including AVN pamphlets, telling them they should have just stayed at home and breastfed the baby.

It was antibiotics that killed her child, they were told, and if she'd simply had some intravenous vitamin C, Dana would still be alive.

"We were getting so many letters of support and then you get one like that and my reaction was to rip them to shreds," David says. "I don't understand how people can be so cruel, but I believe the intent was to shut us up."

On May 24, 2013, tommy wrote:
Well I don't know how else vaccines can effect the brain other than through chemical relationships.

Anyway the Italian Health Ministry conceded the MMR vaccine caused autism in a case there recently, the victim was awarded damages for it. It is not the first case where children have been allegedly damaged by vaccines. The Vaccine Injury Compensation Program ( that is in the USA I presume) has paid out over $2 billion in compensation to families who have been damaged by vaccines, the other day they paid out $6million out to some people, but is the Italian case the first case where it has been conceded that the MMR vaccine caused autism?

Also, people with undiscovered allergies can rarely be injured by vaccines. There's also a risk of contracting Guillain-Barre syndrome after receiving a flu vaccine- but it's 1-2 in 100,000. I'll take my chances; I'd rather not get any number of nasty, preventable diseases by being vaccinated.

On Feb 8, 2015, magicfish wrote:
Whatever happened to Woland?