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Magician Shaun Special user Huntington BCH, CA 924 Posts |
I am working on this move from Coins on Edge (Townsend Version right now) and I would like to get a feel for how fast the move should be done. Right now I can execute it but not fast. I mean are we talking Pass fast, like split second or are we talking a second or so?
Kainoa says you can execute the move as you bring the coin to your lips to blow on it. I would say doing this at normal speed is between 1-2 seconds so is that the speed I should be aiming for? Mr. Townsend I would appreciate your input since you did create this. Thanks, Shaun |
mystre71 Inner circle martinsburg west virginia 1693 Posts |
Hi Shaun, I'm sure Jon will chime in shorly. If not you can PM him. IN the mean time. I use this sleight, and I would say; it depends on how fast you move the coin to you lips. By the time the coin gets to your lips the sleight should be finished.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Hi Shaun,
While the sleight can be done under cover of appearing to turn the coin(s) over at your fingertips a few times IIRC (and according to some old letters) I was initially blocking the action as covered by a larger arm motion. The isolated (covered by misdirection rather than motion) approach came a little later. I admire those who can do any of the fingertip changes under cover of a flick of the wrist. That includes the Demanche change, the Crimp change and the other sleights Kainoa discusses in his Coins on Edge book. Again, I did not design my version of the sleight for speed. This especially so when you are doing exchanging groups of coins. The first half of the exchange, pretty much the Schneider Snap sleight followed by adding your thumb to grip the outgoing coins(s) works best after you've gotten the incoming coin(s) settled against your fingertips. The second half of the exchange looks like you are pivoting the outgoing coin(s) out from behind your fingertips - be that in an open action with focus to reveal a change or under cover of another activity. The sleight was motivated by trying to duplicate the openness of the coin change I saw when Bob Elliot demonstrated Dusheck's Slippery Sam coin set at Tannen's. Not long after (months) the Roth Copper and Silver routine got me thinking... his hanging coins was an eye opener and learning the CP2CP switch ... it simply occurred that I would rather keep one hand up at chest level. The sleight came to settle with the handling I use when I got stuck working on another Roth routine (his beautifully designed Purse and Glass) feeling unable to do his sleight for placing the coins into the purse at the start convincingly and wanting to do the trick while standing. What evolved was the step by step handling that avoids audience attention during the sleight. Probably TMI but I hope it helps, Jon
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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ljh21 Regular user Philadelphia 112 Posts |
I find the thoughts and purpose behind the moves very intersting and helpful in the understanding and learing of the moves. It is actually coin magic history.
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Magician Shaun Special user Huntington BCH, CA 924 Posts |
Thanks Jonathan,
Since your publication of the sleight was a private printing I was interested in your thoughts on the move and your original intentions. I am working with silver dollars and the Victoria Copper Crowns that Lassen had minted to match the size of silver dollars for his custom coin work. I have been working on it for a few days and at this point the hardest things are dropping the copper and then correct placement of the silver. The copper has a smooth edge and kind of sticks to my fingers. It has gotten significantly better as I continue to practice. I was thinking that doing it the way Kainoa describes it, by bringing the coin to your lips to blow on it, must be done rather quickly, basically as quickly as you can manage. I was specifically interested in what type of cover you used in it's creation. It seems like a waving motion would actually give less time and possibly cause more problems with the stability of the copper as you begin the move since it is un-supported at the beginning. Thanks for your help and insight, may I PM you for further discussion on this if I need to? Shaun |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Happy to help. PM is okay
jon
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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Mb217 Inner circle 9520 Posts |
I can totally understand Kainoa's suggestion of bringing the hands to the lips to blow on the coin as to the change, I do things like that myself with the Crimp Change. I went in-depth on it in my Redux and in my ReVisiTed as to the usage of movement, motion and momentums to make these sorts of changes and effects much more vibrant.
And you don't need to make the move to the lips for the blow fast at all. Your regular movement over the short distance alone is enough to hide the dirty work from one point to another, and the overall deception behind the movement is deadly when you get it down right. Also the deception is heightened even more behind the use of the similar aspect as Kainoa's use of edge grip in his shows of his hands, that I call Liwag Subtlety in the way I do it. Better to show you rather than just to talk a good game. You can see here what I mean in a couple of changes I do, *especially in the 2nd one here...I even slowed it down a bit for ya. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMGVSfd7OFI
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