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VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
The original routine, published in, "Book of Magic," is a real gem which I have toyed with over the years. I was wondering if there has been any modern reworkings on this. I know John Carney has work on it using borrowed coins. Any others?
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Al Schneider V.I.P. A corn field in WI surrounded by 1080 Posts |
There have been several reworkings of this.
I am sure others will provide sources. This trick is one of my all time favorites. I think it could be one of the most powerful tricks in existance. I present my versons of this in several of my published works. Can't remember where right now. I can tell you the major change I applied to the trick to enhance it significantly. In the classic presentation, in phase two, a coin is caused to disappear and appear with the coin in the handkerchief. In my version, I rub the coin into the cloth and it joins the coin already in the handkerchief. This more than doubles the effect. Fifty percent of the time the person holding the handkerchief is so stunned they will not open the handkerchief to see the result. Someone standing nearby will take the props out of the helpers hands to see the coins in the handkerchief. Otherwise my handling of the routine is considerably different. I actually got it from Pete Biro when were at some convention together. I talked to him about his and he does not remember it. His handling is vastly superior to the original handling. I have enhanced this routine as well. I wanted to make it stronger. I have just put up a new book on amazon dot com with a new method. In this version six quarters are borrowed, the helper holds the handkerchief corners, and the quarters go inside the cloth bag held by the helper. The motive was to get a magic trick strong enough to compete with mental effects. Hence, the six quarters, borrowed, and done in the spectator hands. Expansion of texture is an extreamly versatile trick. It can be done standing around or sitting at a table. I think it would even work well on full stage. Good trick to consider studying. Al Schneider
Magic Al. Say it fast and it is magical.
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VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
Thank you, Al (I was secretly hoping you would respond to this)
I would love to purchase the books you have published with this routine. |
Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
If I recall correctly - passing the coins through the tight weave of the cloth - The filtration of franc coins dates back before Bobo's book.
Al Schneider has an astonishing visible penetration of the coins through a sheer handkerchief.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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ncsteve Veteran user North Carolina 313 Posts |
I learned it from The Art of Close Up Magic Vol 2 by Ganson many years ago.
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
Have a look in Robert-Houdin's book here:
http://books.google.com/books?id=KcKpx2O......&f=false moving forward - the Bobo reference is here: http://books.google.com/books?id=coPCj8-......&f=false
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
It's a beautiful effect. I see it playing best in those casual, offbeat moments. Thanks for sharing those sources.
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Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
In the New York Coin Magic seminar DVD series, in volume 3 both David Roth and I give our takes in multi phase routines, to the classic plot that is well described in Bobo. My version makes use of JW grip for a nice show at one point. All routines listed in this thread well worth your study. Combine the routine in Bobo with copper or silver extraction, also in Bobo, for a nice complementary effect.
S.E.M. (The Sun, the Moon, and the Earth) is a sun and moon routine unlike any other. Limited to 100 sets, here is the promo:
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
I don't know why more people don't use this. I would say this was the first stunning trick I was able to perform with coins when first starting out. I had an initial hesitation at using hankies when reading through Bobo's but as soon as I read this trick, I went out and bought one!
I would think it would be a good professional trick if you used napkins provided in the restaurant/event. What are people's views on ditching the coin at the end? I used to always ditch it, as it was often extremely easy as they stared at the hankie in disbelief. When performing for friends, some would ask to see my hands afterwards, but when performing for strangers this never happened, so I wonder if this is just the usual sceptical friends and not usually essential. |
Michael Rubinstein V.I.P. 4665 Posts |
You can start with a copper and silver coin. Wrap them both in the hankerchief and magically extract one. Then have one in the hankerchief held by your spectator, and make the other one magically join the first. Then do a copper silver transposition in the spectator's hand not using the hankerchief to end. that's the sequence I have used since I was a teenager. You can ditch the extra coin when you put away the hankerchief, or if you are sitting at the table you can use la**ing, if you use a close up mat as your performing surface you can use ma**ing, you can use slee**ing, a top*t, or just not worry about it. You can also make the copper and silver coin vanish to end the routine, or make them appear in an impossible location. Or not, that's the beauty of making the routine your own.
S.E.M. (The Sun, the Moon, and the Earth) is a sun and moon routine unlike any other. Limited to 100 sets, here is the promo:
https://youtu.be/aFuAWCNEuOI?si=ZdDUNV8lUPWvtOcL $325 ppd USA (Shipping extra outside of USA). If interested, shoot me an email for ordering information at rubinsteindvm@aol.com |
VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
Thanks Michael. Was also thinking how a c***er s**ver coin would add to the routine.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
I haven't research this effect very thoroughly as yet but took some notes over the year. So if this helps...
Ammar, Michael: Expansion of texture Easy to Master Money Miracles DVD #2 & Live at the Magic Castle DVD : Coins through a sheer scarf. This is a classic Michael Ammar routine.You hand out a very sheer scarf and three silver dollars for examination. When returned, you wrap the scarf around the coins and ask the spectator which coin he would like to see pass through. You hold out your palm, and slowly, visibily, you see the coin pass straight through! You repeat with another coin. For the last coin, you ask the spectator to hold on to the middle of the scarf, and you wisk the scarf away, and the spectator opens his hand to show the coin has passed through. Andrus, Jerry: Four Coins Through The Handkerchief. A lifetime of magic vol # 3 Bobo Jean B. : Several methods. Barlowe, Frederic: Coin Transit. The Magic Wand Vol XXXI June Sept 1942 N 194. A silver is folded in a handkerchief and held by a spectator. A penny is smacked over the handkerchief where the silver is and it is heard to join the silver through the cloth. Chanin, Jack : Apparition of four coins in an Handkerchief. (David Roth Ultimate Coin Magic #1) Guyatt, Terry: Expansion of texture with two coins. VHS With a Silver and a copper coin***. L’Homme Masqué: magazine Kenner, Chris: Cloth And Pence (Totally out of Control p 77). Three coins vanish and reappear one by one in a silk. Neighbors, David: The First Japan Lecture (1993) p 43 Thanks to Kaps. A Chinese coin and a half dollar repeatedly change places when wrapped in a silk. Finally, it is revealed that two extra coins have been used throughout the routine … two giant coins, that is. & p 48 Easy Handkerchief Backfire: silk spread on the table with a coin under each corner and the performer makes a matrix. & One Touch Handling in Sound Routines Newitt, A. C.: Double transposition. The Magic Wand Vol 42 # 238 p 116. Two silver are tossed in the center of a handkerchief draped over the left hand. The handkerchief is twisted round them and then given to a spectator to hold.Two pennies are shown and thrown into the performer’s left hand. At a word of command the silver and copper coins trade places. The effect works even better with a good classic palm than the suggested thumbpalm: the hand change with covered noise however is very smart and rarely used. Robert-Houdin, Jean Eugene: Secrets of Conjuring and Magic Seiver, Arnold de: Coin Preface The Gen Vol 15 # 4 August 1959 p110. This is a first part to precede Dai Vernon’ expansion of texture. Schneider, Albert: The Al Schneider Technique DVD 1 Tong, Dan: Texture expanded. Close Up Cavalcade by Jerry Mentzer p 57 A copper and a silver in a handkerchief. Subtle. Can be used as an extension of Expansion of texture or in a silver copper effect. Vernon, Dai: The Dai Vernon Book of Magic p 108 Expansion of texture
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
As expressed in my previous post, I didn't research this effect thoroughly. I found another set of references that I had done on the effect. It overlaps the previous post but there are some additional references
Ammar, Michael: 4 Stars Live, Videonics Program #58 VHS. Michael Ammar performs Visible Expansion of Texture & Easy To Master Money MiraclesVol 2 DVD Expansion of Texture, routine with a silver, a copper and a Handkerchief (with a part where a coin travels to the silk held by the spectator). Andrus, Jerry. Four Coins Through The Handkerchief: Coins penetrate, one at a time, through the center of a handkerchief. Each phase is structured to look more impossible than the previous one Bobo, Jean Baptiste. Modern Coin Magic © 1952 Carl W. Jones, p 181 Expansion of Texture follows Dai Vernon method & New Modern Coin Magic © 1966 Magic Inc, p 181 Expansion of Texture Buffaloe, Jimmy. Modern Coin Magic © 1952 Carl W. Jones, p 71 Double Penetration: two coins yanked through handkerchief; p 85 The Switchover: coin is produced from handkerchief; p 270 Perfected Coin Through Handkerchief: The effect is achieved thanks to a shell & New Modern Coin Magic © 1966 Magic Inc, p 71 Double Penetration: two coins yanked through handkerchief; p 85 The Switchover: coin is produced from handkerchief; p 270 Perfected Coin Through Handkerchief: The effect is achieved thanks to a shell Burns, Russ: Apocalypse Vol 4 No 4 © April 1981 by Harry Lorayne p 469 Liquid Silver: 4 coins penetrate a handkerchief; impromptu Carney, John: The Masters Session DVD Exchanged, Expanded and Extracted is a copper silver routine that segues into expansion of texture and then into a lively mouse appearing is sheer genius Dhotel, Jules. La prestidigitation sans bagage ou mille tours dans une valise Tome V Leaflet 25 © 1942 Chapter XXVIII p. 388. Reprint of an article published in « Le Magicien ». The folding coin is placed into the center of the silk held by two spectators who thread a ring of theirs on to the corners to trap it. The silk is spread again with the ring on top, trapping the coin in folds forming a sort of little bag, and the performer pulls the folding coin from under the silk. & p. 387 La piece dans le fourreau de parapluie. (the coin in ombrella cover). Drop the folding coin in the cover and tie the cover to a chair. Magically extract the (folding) coin through the other end (too small) and change it for a regular coin. Downs, Thomas Nelson: The Art of Magic ©1906 by Downs-Edwards Company, New York, p 256 The Expansion of Texture Guyatt, Terry: Terry Guyatt Presents Close Up Magic VHS. Expansion of texture. A very clean version of the Vernon variant with a part where a coin travels to the silk held by the spectator. Harbottle, Kainoa: Coinapalooza II: International Deceptions. Easy Extraction (Expansion of Texture) Hilliard, John Northern: Greater Magic. A Practical Treatise On Modern Magic p 692 Gold and Silver (Expansion of Texture) Hoffman, Pfr (Angelo Lewis). Modern Magic © Professor Hoffman, p 164. “To make two marked coins wrapped in separate handkerchiefs, come together in one of them”. Same trick as Robert Houdin but with different plates which bring information to Robert Houdin’s description; p. 168 “To Pull Four Florins or Half Crown Through a Handkerchief”. L’Homme Masqué [Jose Antenor de Gago y Zavala Marquis d'Orighuela] : L’illusioniste Quatrième Année No 39 © Mars 1905 p 19 La Dilatation Des Tissus. & Manuel Pratique d’illusionisme by Remi Ceillier. After having borrowed a handkerchief and two 5 F silver coins. Give the handkerchief in a spectator’s right hand and one of the coins in his left and ask him to bring them on stage, holding the second coin high in the hand. The spectator is placed to the performer’s left. The performer announces that he will keep one of the coins in his pocket for the moment. The hand is placed in the pocket and comes out with the coin palmed and takes the wand for misdirection purpose. The performer requests the spectator to cover himself the coin at his left fingertips with the silk, placing the coin about in the center of the silk. He is then requested to use his right hand to pinch the coin through the fabric and to bring his hand out to grab the handkerchief under the coin but way above the corners before releasing the grip of his right hand. This demonstrates that the coin is trapped in a little bag of the fabric and that no trickery can possibly have taken place. As you say this, tap the coin with the wand to demonstrate that it is there. The spectator is then requested for more safety to also hold tightly the four corners of the silk with his right hand. The performer takes the coin up with his left thumb over it and the side of his first finger under it. Claim that you will prove that the spectator is neither complacent nor in it with the performer. As you say this the right hand slides the palmed coin in the folds of the silk (separated from the other coin under the silk), and the right takes the wand to tap the newly wrapped coin as the left fingers prevent the coin from falling. Place the wand under the left arm and request the spectator to take hold of “his” coin from above. Move the right hand palm up under the silk (asking the spectator to release his left hand grip under the pretense of being able to show that there is nothing special with the silk folding it over the hand of the spectator holding the coin), and steal the coin which was initially placed under the silk. Then let the silks corners hang back down. Let the spectator use his left hand to take back his hold of the handkerchief under the coin to prevent any escape of the coin (actually already above the silk but in outer folds). Then, with the left hand, take over the grip on the coin for him to be able to use his right hand to hold the corners tight. Tap on the coin from the outside with the wand again referring to it as “the coin placed in the silk by the spectator”. Claim that before taking out the wrapped up coin you want to introduce under the silk the one in the left pocket. Tap the pocket with the wand and place the wand under the left arm. Your right hand then, under the pretense of expanding the fabric, meets the left hand and adds the palmed coin to the one already hidden in the outer folds. The coins at this moment must be positioned in the left hand, to look only as one, in the following way: the first one lays down flat on the extended second third and little fingers; the first finger slightly curled pressing the edge of this coin from above. The second coin sits in a slanted position resting on one side on the first coin and for the rest on the curled part of the left first finger. Both coins are covered by the folds of the silk and maintained by the left thumb. Now seemingly take the supposedly pocketed coin through the fabric of your pants and mime throwing it in the silk (at the same time take the left first finger away pressing the slanted coin down with the left thumb against the other fingers gaining a clinking sound. With the spectator still holding the corners of the silk enlarge the folds of the little pocket to give room to the coins and shake this little bag to let the coins clinking and express that they really are in the silk. Then slowly pull out the first coin placing it on the table and then the second one, tabling it as well. Now under the pretense of tightening back the fabric, use both hands to expand the folds to have them looking like a little empty bag. Only then ask the spectator to check the little bag and release his grip to open the handkerchief. Hope, John & Olson, Robert. Hugard’s Magic Monthly Vol © March 1944 p 43 & Vol 17 # 1 p 11 Lazy Expansion of Texture Jennings, Larry: Pabular p 326 Coins and handkerchief. This routine is a nice follow up to an effect where four coins appear from a handkerchief (for example Jack Chanin’s one by one production). The handkerchief is then used as a table (a la Silent Mora). French drop with four (or other four coins false transfer), the right hand is placed under the handkerchief as the left is placed above. Shake the upper hand rotating the lower one [less right forearm move than shaking both] gaining a sound convincer. The left hand flattens over the handkerchief and the right comes out with the coins spread on its palm. Stating that maybe you were too fast, take the coins one by one and lay them on the left palm but use Ross Bertram move to steal the last one in Tenkai pinch. The hands now let the first coin pass through the handkerchief. The left hand drops its coins and the right hand comes up and drops its coin to the right of the other three. The left hand places the three onto the right hand which tosses them back in the left with a coin kept in purse palm position (or any other retention like the Benzais friction palm). Right hand drags the coin remaining on the handkerchief and goes beneath immediately Tenkai pinching it. Ask how many under the handkerchief. Bring the hand out showing the one in purse palm. Put the hand back under and let the coins in the left hand jingle. Flatten the left hand over the handkerchief and get the pinched coin back letting it clink against the other one. Bring the right hand up and drop its coins. Having picked up the coins again, close the hands, do a suspicious move and then, as a justification, perform the Tenkai pennies showing two in the left and secretly transferring one of them when shifting attention to the right hand (where one coin is pinched by the pinky in Goshman pinch). Spectators have seen two coins in the left and two in the right. Right hand goes still palm up with two visible coins (and one pinched) under the handkerchief. Flatten the left hand over the handkerchief and get the pinched coin back letting it clink against the other ones. Pick up the lonely coin, close the left hand bringing the coin in Heel Clip position, and bring the right hand up for dropping its coins doing Han Ping Chien’s move (or Gallo Pitch). Gather the three coins and take them under the handkerchief. The left fist comes over as before and the right finger tips pinch a coin, through the fabric, between the left fingers and the heel of the left thumb. Mark a pause, ask how many coins there, and bring the right hand out from under the handkerchief with three coins on the palm. Put the hand back under the handkerchief. The right fingers release the coin retained through the cloth, letting it clink against the others. Show the left hand empty and bring the palm up right hand out before tossing the four coins into the handkerchief. Johnson, Roy: The Roy Johnson Experience. Expansion of Texture Judah, Stewart. Modern Magic © 1952 Carl W. Jones, p 174 Silver or Copper Extraction: Three methods to remove Silver or Copper from handkerchief Kaps, Fred: Kaps on Coins Coin Thru Handkerchief King, Bob: Five Star Magic. Expansion of Texture Marlo, Edward: Bull’s-eye Coin Tricks © 1942 by L. L. Ireland p 10 Penetration and audible arrival. Meyer, Orville. Modern Magic © 1952 Carl W. Jones, p 177 Silver or Copper Extraction Orville Meyer Method Moche, Jeff: Apocalypse Vol 9 No 3 © March 86 by Harry Lorayne p 1177 Really Clean Coin Vanish: coin vanish using a handkerchief Osborne, Tom. Hugard’s Annual 1938 1939 p 55 A silk is draped over the right hand of the performer (with a coin classic palmed). A coin is taken by the right hand through the silk and tapped against the bottom of a glass to show it to be solid. The glass is taken over the left fingers. The right hand turns down allowing the silk to drape the coin and the glass. The coin is dropped into the glass (actually the glass is tilted and the coin allowed to hit its side and slide into the left fingers). A spectator is asked to poke the silk down slightly into the glass As he is shown what to do the palmed coin is secretly allowed to fall into this little well. The silk covering is then fairly twisted around the bottom of the glass and, apparently at command, the coin rises without the hands coming near the mouth of the glass, passes through the fabric covering the mouth of the glass and falls to the table. Robert Houdin, Jean Eugene. Magic Filtration of a 5 Francs Coin. Les Secrets de la Prestidigitation et de la Magie p 108. Two 5 F coins trapped each in a handkerchief are entrusted to two spectators far apart from one another. The performer taking a coin through the fabric of one of the silks lets it join the other without getting near the handkerchief containing it. Borrow two fairly large handkerchiefs and two 5 F coins which you place on the table in fornt of you. Take one of these coins holding it vertically at the left fingertips and cover it with one of the handkerchiefs so that the four corners hang more or less equally. “I place a coin under the center of this handkerchief and for you to be convince that it is really there I’ll show it to you. Here comes the sleight. Turn the right hand palm up and bring it over the draped coin (still held under the handkerchief by the left fingers). Pinch the coin through the fabric between the first finger in front and the second finger behind. The left fingers release the coin, and the left hand moves down a few inches. The right hand rotates inward rolling the silk over the right middle finger, for the left thumb and first finger to regrip it still through the fabric. The right hand then, sliding its middle finger out of the fold, moves down to lift one of the corners of the silk and display the coin. The left hand still holding the coin use the right hand to flip all the four corners over the left hand and to immediately take a grip over the fold partly covering the coin. The left hand immediately comes out from what seems to be under the silk. If you did this well the coin, instead of being in the middle and under the handkerchief is now behind it, hidden by a small fold. This fold is toward the performer and cannot be seen by the spectators. However to hide it a little more twist the silk a bit and ask a spectator to hold the coin from above through the fabric between his fingers. Before taking care of the second handkerchief, palm a 5 Franc coin from your pocket in the right hand and with the same hand take up the 5 Franc coin from the table and use the left hand to cover it with the other handkerchief. The left hand then takes hold of both coins from above through the handkerchief, and the right hand comes out leaving the corners of the silk hanging down. The right hand now strokes down the silk grabbing all the folds into its loosely closed fist and stops half way down closing the fist tighter as the left fingers release one of the coin which falls loose into the inner folds of the silk and get stopped by the outer grip of the right fist. The right hand moves up using the coin in the left fingers under the silk as a fulcrum to bring both hands to a horizontal position. The right little fingers and ring fingers stretch to indicate to a spectator where he should take hold of the silk (behind the right hand) with one hand as you request him to take also the coin through the fabric with his other hand and to hold the silk horizontally. The spectator can feel the coin throught the fabric with one hand but cannot feel the other one which is now loose in the inner folds between the two hands. Focus to the first spectator asking Would you believe that it is possible to take away the coin which you so closely trapped in this handkerchief and to send it here to meet the other coin which this lady holds trapped between her hands. That’s what I’m going to attempt. Get to the first spectator and collect the first coin from the little fold in the silk. Here is the coin, showing it, I will now keep my word and let it pass in the handkerchief held by this youg lady between her two hands. For this madam, I will ask you to comply with one small recommendation. At the exact moment when I will toss this coin toward you, please let go of the coin in your left fingers and tighten your other hand around the silk. Understood…Let’s try it. False transfer into the left fingers the coin taken out of the fabric from the other silk. Then make a move towards the silk held by the lady, as if tossing something in that direction, and say Passe. The lady conforming with the recommendation releases the coin she holds. This moves down by gravity letting the other coin slide down in the folds of the silk and clink against the coin which was held by the lady. The coin seemingly tossed has arrived. Schneider, Al: The Al Schneider Technique Vol 1 DVD. Theory and Magic: Expansion of Texture Tamariz, Juan. Monedas (French translation) p 45 Sortie Penetrante (Penetrating Exit). Tong, Dan: Close-Up Cavalcade © 1973 by Jerry Mentzer p 57 Texture Expanded (Dan Tong): coin through handkerchief, can be used with Dai Vernon's Expansion of Texture or stand alone Vernon, Dai. Dai Vernon Book Of Magic © 1957 by Lewis Ganson, Harry Stanley's Unique Magic Studio Ch 10 p 108 Expansion of Texture: a copper and a silver are placed in hanky. Any selected coin is magically removed. The silver coin is placed in the hanky and held by the spectator. The Copper vanishes and audibly joins the Silver. Uses two coppers, one silver, and a handkerchief & Expanded Lecture Notes © ©1964 by Dai Vernon, p 17 Expansion of Texture & Revelations DVD Vol 5 & 6: Expansion of texture Waldman, Sheldon. Underhanded Sorcery. Paul Diamond Gems of Magic N°4 p 27. The expansion of texture revisited. After the coin has been secretly moved outside the handkerchief covered by a fold, “remove your ring and slide it over the ends of the silk and have the spectator hold the ends: the ring is seemingly trapped by the coin at one end and the spectator’s hand on the other side. Under the cover of the handkerchief, remove the ring and back palm (or back clip) it. Now casually remove the ring on the coin side and place it on your finger. Do not say anything about the coin: it has apparently vanished from the silk. The psychological effect of this is at least ten times as strong as a simple penetration.”
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VernonOnCoins Inner circle NYC 1978 Posts |
Thank you for sharing this information.
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Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
All in all, it seems worth having a more precise description of what the effect we seek is, and of the props involved
One effect is "extraction" (Robert Houdin, Vernon, Guyatt, Tamariz...) One effect is "penetration" (Al Schneider, Tom Osborne.. One effect is a switch of position between a copper and a silver coin The effect can be enhanced by using two different coins (so one could think that one of the two coins could be quickly Spellbound before getting into a silver and copper "expansion of texture") The effect can be enhanced by using a sheer see through silk (Ammmar, Powers, Schneider...) Using a glass helps getting noise to mark the magical moment Marking the coin as Daryl does in Foolers Doolers, dispels the suspicion of an additional coin being used. Using the ring to entrap the corners makes the effect seemingly even more impossible The use of the silk as a table for the business venues performer offers a justification to the presence of the handkerchief... A ring is always available and does increase the feeling that any sleight of hand becomes impossible with the entrapment of "the" coin. There are probably other angles to this effect but, as already stated, it's not an effect that I analyzed as I could do with other effects like Chink a Chink, the Ring and string,the purse frame, the sponge balls, the nuts and bolts... but it's never wrong from a showmanship and magical stadpoint to approach an effect from the variety of the spectator's perceptions.
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David Fillary Special user 662 Posts |
A brilliant collection there and some good descriptions - more people need to use handkerchiefs in magic!
Lawrence O, have you seen mentioned a coin-through-ring effect where the performer does not touch the coin when it penetrates? I ask this because I was playing around with the standard coin through ring technique (from Bobo) and noticed that if you pull on one diagonal, the coin is held tighter, whereas if you pull gently on the other diagonal, the coin can slip out. My performance has two people pull on the diagonal to confirm it's really trapped, the ring-owner places her hands above and below the coin (above to "cast a magical shadow" etc. below to catch it) and I grab the other corners. I am then able to make the coin and ring slip off with a lovely audible clink into their hand without my hands coming near it. I've only performed this a few times, but it goes over well, and I have given a presentation along the lines of the coin representing you, the ring your dreams and the handkerchief everything in life that gets in the way, but if you wish hard enough, your dreams will come to you. The only trouble is sometimes it can get stuck. I need to trial it out more to work out the optimum fold size for it to work. Anyway, I just wondered if it had been mentioned in print or if there is a reason people don't perform it like this (it technically isn't a coin through ring effect after all). |
Lawrence O Inner circle French Riviera 6811 Posts |
If I understand your question well, for that particular effect, you may want to use Pat Page's approach with a regular coin and a borrowed ring (an a secret small rubber band). Pat's routining and misdirection are nothing short of brilliant: that was Pat Page at its best... and you want get stuck
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Jonathan Townsend Eternal Order Ossining, NY 27297 Posts |
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On 2013-06-17 09:58, David Fillary wrote:... Was discouraged in school when I tried borrowing a handkerchief.
...to all the coins I've dropped here
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foolsnobody Special user Buffalo, NY 843 Posts |
Francis Carlyle had a version that appeared in the Roger Pierre book. That's another book I lost when I moved that I'd love to replace Anyone got an extra? "The Magic of Francis Carlyle" I think it's called. Poor production values but great content from a real pro.
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