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DavidThomas Loyal user 240 Posts |
Are the illusions Origami and Mini Cube Zag to similar to be presented in the same show?
David Thomas
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TaylorReed Special user Branson, MO 743 Posts |
Not if it is a long show and you can keep them far apart..
I think they are plenty different.. But they are both what I call (In and out illusions.) Girls goes in... Disappears.. Girls comes out.. I'm doing three of the In and our effects in my show. Bits and Pieces Origami Eclipse They are all different enough to not bother anyone in my opinion and are spread out over a long period of time.. Taylor
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krille New user 50 Posts |
I don't think so. The presentation are so different.
Just don't do them right after each other. I would be careful performing two illusions after each other that uses the same method. |
Kevin Ridgeway V.I.P. Indianapolis, IN & Phoenix, AZ 1832 Posts |
I agree with Taylor. It also really has to do with presentation. We do Cube Zag shortly after the opening of the show. Origami is presented later. But the main difference is the presentation. Origami opens with a CG animation. The animation is about a male & female piece of Origami. With Kristen & I having different last names, the video and our interaction with each other in origami...this is the about the time the audience starts thinking there is something going on between us. As Kristen is introduced for the finale, her Water Torture Cell, it's at this time that I introduce her as my wife.
Sorry, for the long drawn out answer. But yes, I think they can be in the same show.
Living Illusions
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krille New user 50 Posts |
I have another one for you.
Origami and Foul Play... Different methods but maybe too similar. |
DavidThomas Loyal user 240 Posts |
I think to the lay audience they are the same effect. Girl gets in box on a base, items enter the space. Where is she hidden? It was said on the thread "if two illusions are too similar to be in the same show, then they are considered similar."
I am starting to think this way, because a year or so ago, I did a huge "corporate" Flambe, FireCage, Spiker, Goddess, Origami, Sub Trunk, Backstage, Twister, Sword Box with audience appearance, Modern Art, Nascar Appearance, Cycle Vanish (cargo net) to appearance, death drill. Over the headsets the crew was "oh another box". It was an eye opener for me how lay people perceive us and what we do.
David Thomas
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krille New user 50 Posts |
DavidThomas,
I agree with you. |
krille New user 50 Posts |
I understand the "oh another box" comment but this is how it is when doing illusions. It would be difficult without them. We are not doing stand up.
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illusions & reality Special user Saskatoon, SK, CANADA 859 Posts |
Audiences shouldn't be aware of methods - only the effect. The effect is all that they will, or should remember.
If the Origami were used as a production (the illusion begins with swords in the folded cube when brought out), then unfolded and assistant is produced, I see no problem. If both illusions are presented as "a girl mysteriously disappears in a tiny space and we wonder where she is" illusion, I personally wouldn't perform both in the same show. I am a big fan of Brett Daniels and saw his show when he performed at the casino outside of Memphis. I thought that it was an excellent show, but too many illusions were very similar effects, just using different props. Again, this is only my opinion. Lou |
Mike Maturen Inner circle Michigan's Beautiful Sunrise Side 2726 Posts |
I do a "pack small, play big" type show. So, I do a couple of effects that utilize ropes (professor's nightmare, ropes through girl, and eventually a c&r rope). I also do a few effects with silks, although I string those together into a single routine, so the audience sees it as a single effect.
So far, no one has complained...but only the props (ropes and silks) are similar, not the effects.
Mike Maturen
World of Wonder Entertainment The Magic and Mayhem of Mike Maturen 989-335-1661 mikematuren@gmail.com AUTHOR OF "A NEW DAWN--Weekly Wisdom From Everyday Life" member: International Magician's Society |
MagicalMotivator Veteran user 310 Posts |
David,
I am going to say I am not "up to speed" with you young guys - what you (David, Taylor, Kevin, etc) do is marvelous. I am in my 50's and been doing (and still do within reason) illusions for a long time. My main body of work is from Corporate Entertainment. So here are a few comments. To answer your original question I would not present Origami and Mini Cube Zag in the same show. They are (regardless of how different the presentations) still "person goes in the box - disappears - reappears." Repetitive boxes. When I started out I billed myself as an "illusionist", and I was (everything from cats to appearing cars). However over time I realized that what I really was, was a "magician" or more importantly a "magical entertainer". That meant touching the audience with "magic", not just boxes, birds or sleight of hand (although please do not get me wrong - they are important to a degree). My point being don't get hung up on just the boxes. Yes they are necessary, but it is magical moments that you want to create - and sometimes too many boxes can be a bad thing. That's why we have snowstorms, gypsy threads and newspaper tears - or more importantly our "personal, original, really magical touch". Imagine. The stage is bathed in stark white light with only the lone magician seated in a simple, wooden chair. To stage right a matching small table covered in a white silk. A sexy saxophone piece begins to play as an equally sexy female (in a black cocktail dress) enters the stage behind the magician. Nothing is said. She puts a blindfold on him and walks to the table. The table cover is removed to reveal a 38 revolver set on a silver tray. With graceful, yet precise moves she picks up the revolver and loads a single bullet. The magician stands and faces towards the girl as she raise and aims at him. There is a pause. She fires and at the EXACT second the magician raise his hand. What is now seen is the magician pointing his hand (with his forefinger outstretched) toward the girl - but just inches from his hand is the bullet - now suspended in thin air just before his finger. He pauses, removes his blindfold and walks completely in a circle around the bullet, finally stopping behind it. He motions and the girl hands him the silver tray. The magician places the tray about 6 inches below the bullet. He looks at the audience, smiles, and lightly blows on the bullet - which now falls onto the tray with a loud "plunk". Blackout. My point is you don't have to use just boxes to create powerful illusions. And more importantly the real magic we create is when we combine DIFFERENT aspects or our "personal art". Sorry for the rant. Did not want to offend. Just wanted to comment. Rick |
Lou Hilario Inner circle 2235 Posts |
Long time ago, I used to do the Zig Zag and the Mismade Lady in my cabaret shows. Till I realized they also had the same effect (cutting and restoring). But I did the Zig Zag on the first part of my show and the Mismade Lady as my finale.
In those shows, I also did the Head Sword Box and the Hindu Basket. I guess it doesn't really matter to the audience as long as they are spread out in your show with different themes.
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DavidThomas Loyal user 240 Posts |
Hi Rick,
I totally agree with you. Over the years people will come to my show and say my favorite part was a smaller piece. But I think that is true of any large production. Sometimes the most touching part of a Broadway spectacle is the piece where the actor / singer is just in an spot singing a touching ballad. In Copperfield's huge show, my friend once loved the "floating rose" the most. Reality is to command the prices an audience will pay you need both. The spectacle and the "moments" that make it a great show. A production itself without a great "book" will fail. A great 'book" just by itself will disappoint if high fees or ticket prices are paid. With that said, I now think very carefully what illusions, with or without boxes, I perform in any given show. Thanks!!
David Thomas
TheWorldofMagic.com |
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