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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts |
Good point Quentin.
I believe it elaborates on my first point about using the right tool for the job. I believe using the right props will help our presentation and perhaps even ad more comedy and entertainment to the routine. Just one example is the vent mask. No one including myself is saying big props are better, nor that props alone are entertaining. I think it's been discouraging watching a couple of people misquoting, taking my words out of context, putting words into my statement, and making assumptions about my comments. I keep myself very busy entertaining children. 3-5 days a week performing for large audiences for such clients a the Sask Museum, Connexus Art Center, Regina's Child Development Center, The Mayor of Regina, United Way, Red Cross, Boys Scouts, outdoor festivals throughout the province and now several contracts with school boards within the province. All mostly because of word of mouth. I gave up my painting business once my shows started taking off fulltime. I am proud of what I have accomplished. I owe some credit to some of the members of this forum for their kind insights and knowledge they shared, as well as my local peers who have been very supportive. I don't use huge props, I pack somewhat small other than my curtains and and sound system when required. I have studied acting and theatre and even child psychology. I am also very involved with a anti- bullying group. Why am I saying this? Because I have been completely misunderstood with my original comment when I was just adding a point to the discussion. It upsetted me because this is supposed to be about magicians helping magicians, not about insults, nor trying to degrade each other because you don't agree with what someone says. If my original post is wrong, no one has taken the time to correct it, but instead has taken time to misrepresent my comments, even after a few attempts to clarify it for 3 specific people who took what I said way out of proportion. Very discouraging for me.
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Quentin Inner circle 1020 Posts |
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On 2013-11-25 09:32, kimmo wrote: Of course!!! Incidentally regarding Tamar's interest in doing a show from a pencil case. Years back Roy Baker described, in Abra, a full Christmas Show using only a box of crackers. |
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Ken Northridge Inner circle Atlantic City, NJ 2392 Posts |
I can’t say any better than Quentin did few posts up. But I do have a complaint about the youtube video. If you call it a fireside chat the least you can do light the fire behind you! Can I please have my money back!
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kimmo Inner circle Sheffield 1193 Posts |
Was there a fire Ken? Were we beside it? Lit or not, it is still a Fireside Chat.
I will, however, refund double the money you paid to watch it!
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kimmo Inner circle Sheffield 1193 Posts |
Danny - I'm sorry if you feel that I misunderstood your original post and 'attacked' you. The strange thing is, that is exactly what I thought you had done to me!
For example. Here is the post I made: Quote:
On 2013-11-23 19:52, kimmo wrote: And Here is your reply: Quote:
On 2013-11-23 21:45, Danny Kazam wrote: All I was saying in my answer to you was: What part of my original post suggested that you should use the incorrect tool for the job? When I say that it doesn't matter what props you use, I am clearly saying that it doesn't matter if you are using a $30 20th Century silks routine or a $7000 animatronic puppet, as long as the routine is entertaining. I was NOT advocating (as you later suggested) trying to do a rope trick with a newspaper. I felt you were mis-representing what I had written, in exactly the same way that you feel I have mis-represented you.
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Quentin Inner circle 1020 Posts |
I understand that the prop maker for Practical Magic is seriously upset at this discussion for he fears he may be put out of business.
He has posted his own Fireside Chat explaining his position: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APFcys5Ek......&index=2 His argument is as clear as Jeremy's instruction sheets. |
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kimmo Inner circle Sheffield 1193 Posts |
That is the most coherent I have ever seen him. Jeremy really surpassed himself with that one Quentin.
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts |
It's all water under the bridge now.
Some are just quick to argue, and not meaning you. Two others who disagreed with my initial post and I chose to defend that post, or at least tried to defend it using examples to do that. My comments were being picked apart after that, entirely missing or ignoring my original point. Yet, when I questioned them, they continued to take me out of context. For example, TonyB2009 posted videos that he believes proves me wrong about my comment that Irish storytellers sometimes uses props. He said none of them do, and they would be laughed off stage. Upon watching the video's it shows one of them using several props to create the mood for his story. Such as a saddle, feather pen, a scroll, etc. Stage props are very much props. I pmed this to Tony, "Eddie Lenihan has a whole room of props while presenting his story, includig the scroll and feather pen. These are called props. Items that just sit around the set are called props. Perhaps that is where the confusion lies. Coins, cards, etc are props, even assecories to a costume are props. I watched Kimmo's video and agree with everything that was said in it. Using the right prop for a routine is important was my original point I was adding to it, not arguing about it. I never said use colorful props because children love them. It is a fact that children like bright colors. Colors can help or assist in creating a mood, just like music and items like a horse saddle, fire place and any other stage prop used on the set, like using a feather pen and scroll, and even costumes. I never once implied props make us better performers. I even commented about that. I would not, nor imply to buy colorful props just because they are colorful. I consider all aspects when creating my shows and use as many resourses at my disposel to enhance the expierence for my audience. I don't limit myself to just the trick to entertain. First, one person has to be a good entertainer, and part of that is knowing what props to use, when to use them, and how to use them. We as entertainers should aways be looking for ways to improve ourselves and our shows. At the end of the day, what counts most is if the children were entertained. Not only do I do that, but I am always looking and finding new ways to improve myself as an entertainer, and making the journey for my audience more memorable. I didn't expect I would of had to defend my original post, and I'm not used to doing so. I stand by my original post, although my other defending my original post perhaps fell a little short. My attention was divided by the Grey Cup Championship.' From his reply back Tony still does not consider them props. Technically they are, regardless who put them there or not. Having background in theatre arts, that's what they have always been called. I suppose he doesn't believe that, nor does he understand why they were placed on the stage and their intentions to help create the mood. He came across to me as someone who knows it all On 2013-11-23 21:45, Danny Kazam wrote: That's like saying any tool can hammer a nail into a board. The tool doesn't matter just as long you are a good carpenter. Of course props matter, just like using the right tool for the job. Children love colorful props, and props can inspire us to be better performers, and help make our routines more visual and entertaining. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Tony responded with... I don't agree. Kids do love props. But they also love to just laugh. If you put the props in the room and went away, how entertaining would that be? It boils down to the performer, and many entertain with very little. Storytellers and comedians use no props, and kids love them. (Another pompous statement considering some comedians do use props, as the example I gave with Carrot Top. his whole act relies on props.) (He disagree's with my statement, but then agree's children loves props.) Then Tony later states, "Not a ridiculous comment at all. Nowhere near as ridiculous as the unqualified statement that kids love colourful props, which we are expected to accept as gospel. Kids love lots of things." I never said that it was gospel and I did clearly mentioned that it was from my experience. Pompous attitude I supposed got a tad under my skin, all starting from my original post which no one actually disagree's with. LOL It seemed no matter what I said, it was going to be used as grounds for an arguement, putting words into my mouth, assumptions, misunderstandings, and even a insult. However I regress. lol. I won't mention Phill because it was the same thing with him. Thanks Kimmo!
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
Danny has a bee in his bonnet about props. I don't know why. Most of us here are debating a bit more rationally and less emphatically. But since I seem to have been singled out by him, I feel I should respond. Danny has a strange notion in his head that storytellers use props extensively. I am Irish (not of Irish extraction, or not with some vague Irish in my blood, but real Irish). Storytelling is a strong tradition among us. Seanachais still perform regularly in pubs, at weddings, in schools, theatres and libraries. And I have watched dozens, because I am into storytelling. In all my years watching storytellers I have only once seen one (a Nigerian, and very good) use a prop. It is not a part of traditional storytelling. I posted five clips of storytellers - three of whom I have had the privilege of working with - to illustrate this. This clip is of Eddie Lenihan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Im-lKGj8PM Danny is making a big deal of the fact that the television studio put a parchment and quill on the table in front of Eddie, and put him in a small room. Unfortunately (or not) it is not possible to perform naked in a sterile white room. But that does not mean that Eddie is using props to tell the story. Have a look, guys, and judge for yourself. I have seen Eddie perform in a field, in a tent, in a living room, in a library... and in television studios. What surrounds us, Danny, is not props. Props are the things we bring along and that are intrinsic to our performance. Eddie does not use props. I have no problem with performers who use props. I know some very good guys who do. I use two puppets myself, and a few small items that go into my pockets. The big and the small approach both work. It is up to the individual performer to decide which suits himself. I have an issue with performers who use props as a crutch to mask their lack of showmanship, but that is a debate for another time. I also have an issue with someone lecturing us that 'kids love colourful props', as if it were a piece of gospel, universally acknowledged. As I pointed out to Danny, kids love a lot of things. That does not mean you are letting them down if you do not include all those things in your performance. Danny no one attacked you here, but you very dogmatically stated a position, and when you do that you can expect a dogmatic rebuttal of that position. Which is what you got from those of us who read your comments as attacking us. Finally, I think it is poor form to PM me, then quote that supposed private exchange here. Don't bother PMing me again; leave it all out in the open here for all to read, if that is your intention from the start. Tony.
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Danny Kazam Inner circle 1516 Posts |
See what I mean. Nuff said.
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Jolly Roger V.I.P. Sedona, Arizona 1667 Posts |
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On 2013-11-25 16:01, kimmo wrote: Nonsense!!! It is not a proper fireside chat unless there is a proper fire. I am with Ken on this one! It is like having the frame of a backdrop without the curtain on it. Since this was a discussion about props, maybe it was intentional that you had only half a prop displayed behind you!!! JR |
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Chance Wolf Inner circle 2425 Posts |
Roger,
You know what might kill two birds with one stone??? How about the fire be made from a pile of those worthless HUGE Wolfs Magic props??!! Get rid of those pesky monstrosities and get a piece of old rope and a dixie cup and learn how to do REAL MAGIC!! Then, once you have learned the true art of performing...go BUY MORE WOLFS MAGIC PROPS and perform them the way they should be performed!! OK..so I am having some fun but, as others have said... I firmly believe no matter how huge or small, colorful or drab, natural or contrived... your magic will only be as strong as the performer and his ability to entertain. It hurts me more than you know to see my creations performed without the dedication, thought and professionalism that I put into making them. Whether you are Mac King KILLING Vegas with a deck of cards and a Rain Coat or David Copperfield blowing people minds with a stage full of monstrous illusions, they both share one thing. Dedication to excellence in all aspects of performance. One uses the smallest of props. One uses the largest. They BOTH are relevant. They BOTH achieve the same results. Chance
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TomBoleware Inner circle Hattiesburg, Ms 3163 Posts |
If David Copperfield did birthday parties, would they hire him or the guy doing the rope tricks?
Of course they would hire him. They would feel that they were getting their money's worth with his stage full of props. Now to the other side: If he (Copperfield) only promised to do rope tricks and other small effects, would they still hire him? Of course they would, simply because he is David Copperfield. Lesson is: Buy some props or change your name. Tom
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TonyB2009 Inner circle 5006 Posts |
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On 2013-11-25 21:53, TomBoleware wrote: But they might have to move house to accommodate all the stuff! Another argument for going small
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Jolly Roger V.I.P. Sedona, Arizona 1667 Posts |
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On 2013-11-25 21:41, Chance Wolf wrote: Great post Chance! I have often wondered about the emotions of dealers who sell a prop, and then see it badly performed. These comments of yours give me faith in Magic Dealers: "It hurts me more than you know to see my creations performed without the dedication, thought and professionalism that I put into making them." JR |
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Chance Wolf Inner circle 2425 Posts |
Thanks Roger.
My words are the truth. I used to perform back in the day. I spent countless hours writing, rehearsing, polishing, over and over until it was nailed down as good as it could be. Even after all of that, I was never happy with my show. It could always be better. The same philosophy I put into building my magic. I did not get into building magic to simply make money. far from it. Shelley and I could have made a hell of a LOT more money doing what we originally were doing. I dedicated the last ten years of my life creating magic because of my LOVE for magic. I hope others are in it for the same reasons. Take care Chance
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Jolly Roger V.I.P. Sedona, Arizona 1667 Posts |
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On 2013-11-25 22:41, Chance Wolf wrote: I hope so too, Chance. I am sure you are familiar with the British magic dealer Ken Brooke. Years ago, I went into his studio on Wardour street in London's Soho, and he was demonstrating a trick to someone in the studio. I thought the trick was brilliant, and I got out my wallet to purchase it. He refused to sell it to me, because he said it was not right for my style. Imagine that............a magic dealer with true integrity! How often would that happen today? Jack Hughes, who I visited regularly at his studio in Colindale, was also a dealer I admired greatly for his honesty. I would put you in the same category, Chance!!! JR |
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Chance Wolf Inner circle 2425 Posts |
Roger,
I am very familiar with Ken Brooke. I have never met him but I have a great deal of respect for him and what he has done for magic. The fact that he had dismissed a sale due to a style mis-match is quite incredible and honorable. It shows his love for the art and his creations. Jack Hughes...well...he is another story. Jack Hughes happens to be my HERO as a magic creator. I feel his contribution to magic is something that I only wish I could match. I think I would need several more lifetimes for that. I did not have the chance to meet him personally however I did have Bernice Hughes, his Daughter, pay me a personal visit to my shop. The meeting was the most incredible experience in my magic life. It was as close to Jack as I would ever get as she shared all kinds of stories of her life with her father and many inside stories of his shop and personal life. Not to mention some business dealings that will be revealed in the future. Jack Hughes and so many others have the broad shoulders of magic that I stand upon every day. Thanks for the kind words Roger. Chance
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Jolly Roger V.I.P. Sedona, Arizona 1667 Posts |
You are welcome, Chance, and I mean what I say. Because I believe in reincarnation, I have no doubt that you and Jack will cross paths some time in the next few lifetimes!!! JR
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