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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Then I take it your answer is "yes" to the above questions?
And you really think that the collection of unlimited data on the Legislative branch by the Executive branch is consistent with the concept of checks and balances as outlined in the US Constitution? And once again, I agree with you that the decisions of Congress should be transparent. The whole point of blackmail however is that it is not transparent. The blackmailer offers secrecy in return for something else--a vote or other favor. The collection of data is not for my benefit or your benefit--it is to benefit the criminal class so that they may remain powerful.
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
I do feel sorry for the politicians because if they try to do anything about it then all their dirty little secrets will come out. Anyway they have not only committed substantive criminal offences but also committed perjury and perverted the course justice in the cover up. They have stolen information and so they are thieves. Who were the receivers of the stolen property were and are not the only the governments of the US and the UK for security reasons but also their masters, The International Private Bankers, for their financial benefit. Which is why they all being allowed to get away with it more or less. It's all part and parcel of the reason the peasants are broke and they have in the club have trillions. So as the fellow said: It's a Big club and you ain't in it.
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General_Magician Special user United States 707 Posts |
Here is the thing, for our government to conduct foreign policy on our behalf, it has to have some kind of secrecy. You are not going to have any sort of foreign policy success as a government unless you have secrecy and the people who are working for you can be trusted to keep those secrets. Much of the information that Snowden released revealed our strengths and weaknesses to our enemies and this is information they now can use and exploit (and I am not just talking about terrorist groups only, I am also talking about countries like Russia who now can see some of our weaknesses which before Snowden's disclosures they did not know or have this information). Snowden is a traitor and does not deserve leniency. The damage he did was very real to the conduct of this country's foreign policy and to keep our country safe as well.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On 2014-01-04 20:30, landmark wrote: It actually sounds to me like you did not even seriously read the Slate article, or that you missed its main points. The Slate author does not disagree that the NSA overreached. But in no way do the "bullet points above in the Times article" refute the following Slate argument (or several other arguments made by the Slate author): "If that were all that Snowden had done [whistle-blow], if his stolen trove of beyond-top-secret documents had dealt only with the NSA’s domestic surveillance, then some form of leniency might be worth discussing." "But Snowden did much more than that. The documents that he gave the Washington Post’s Barton Gellman and the Guardian’s Glenn Greenwald have, so far, furnished stories about the NSA’s interception of email traffic, mobile phone calls, and radio transmissions of Taliban fighters in Pakistan’s northwest territories; about an operation to gauge the loyalties of CIA recruits in Pakistan; about NSA email intercepts to assist intelligence assessments of what’s going on inside Iran; about NSA surveillance of cellphone calls “worldwide,” an effort that (in the Post’s words) “allows it to look for unknown associates of known intelligence targets by tracking people whose movements intersect.” In his first interview with the South China Morning Post, Snowden revealed that the NSA routinely hacks into hundreds of computers in China and Hong Kong." "These operations have nothing to do with domestic surveillance or even spying on allies. They are not illegal, improper, or (in the context of 21st-century international politics) immoral. Exposing such operations has nothing to do with whistle-blowing."
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
I read every word of the Slate article. I admit it was very difficult to take such drivel seriously.
Hey I just read an article I found by an East German. He says that the whistle blower who leaked the Stasi files should be incarcerated and should not be given clemency because along with revealing the East German government's ubiquitous domestic surveillance, the whistle blower also revealed details about the Stasi's operations in West Germany and other foreign countries. Would anyone take such an article seriously? With regard to your block quote above, there has yet to be a shred, a scintilla, a scrap of evidence that any harm has come to National Security from Snowden's revelations beyond the NSA liars' propaganda. There has been copious evidence however that the NSA has harmed the Fourth Amendment thousands of times by their own admission. Such articles are meant for one thing: to divert, deflect, and dismiss the reality of what was revealed. Slate is written for a mildly liberal audience. The propaganda is tailored for that audience. *** with faint praise, pretend you are sympathetic, always "welcoming the debate," and then lament when they torture the person who had the cojones to put his life on the line for our freedom, saying well he had it coming to him. BTW, my reference to the Times bullet point was an aside to an aspect of the case that I feel has not been sufficiently publicized.
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
They are treating you all like an horses ass. You are the horse with a buggy attached. Then after the have bugged you they will use a buggy whip to help control you pulling the buggy.
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arthur stead Inner circle When I played soccer, I hit 1773 Posts |
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Some recent Snowden revelations you may have missed.
For those who think that the data is only collected and not used to blackmail, etc., we now know that they at least do this: Quote:
WASHINGTON -- The National Security Agency has been gathering records of online sexual activity and evidence of visits to pornographic websites as part of a proposed plan to harm the reputations of those whom the agency believes are radicalizing others through incendiary speeches, according to a top-secret NSA document. The document, provided by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden, identifies six targets, all Muslims, as “exemplars” of how “personal vulnerabilities” can be learned through electronic surveillance, and then exploited to undermine a target's credibility, reputation and authority. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/26......128.html and more recently, we've learned that even if you're computer is not connected to the Internet, you may be vulnerable to spying: Quote:
According to the New York Times, and based on input from security officials and documents leaked by whistleblower Edward Snowden, the NSA has "implanted software in nearly 100,000 computers around the world" allowing it to spy on devices not connected to the internet using radio signals and creating clandestine surveillance networks. http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/01/15-0
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
Remarkable new Q & A with Snowden. Well worth reading in its entirety:
http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2014/01/23-5
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rockwall Special user 762 Posts |
Rand Paul files class action lawsuit against NSA snooping
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Dannydoyle Eternal Order 21219 Posts |
But they won't do anything bad with the information.
He should have support from a former senator from Illinois who was very vocal about this sort of thing.
Danny Doyle
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