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Mr. Muggle Special user 999 Posts |
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On 2004-01-03 22:06, glodmagic wrote: Been doing my own research on the same type of system. Most curtain companies that I have been in touch with have their curtains already treated with Fire retardant. Otherwise, if you have a fire extinguisher in each corner you usually don't have any problems. But to be certain, just make sure you add that question to your performance packet before booking the show. MM
"Now you're looking for the secret... but you won't find it because you're not really looking. You don't really want to know the secret... You want to be fooled." - The Prestige (2006)
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kaytracy Inner circle Central California 1793 Posts |
The problem with PVC is the flexability, you will get much sagging (tried it for Pavillion poles once!) The EMT tubing really does work the best, my craft fair time I always took three extra poles and a tubing cutter, -I was always acceptyed by the coordinators as I could litteraly fit into any space they had, very handy when starting out and trying to get a reputation. I still carry the stuff wtih me, but seldom need it now. Most of the folks know me and my work, as well as my willingness to cooperate with them!
Kay and Tory
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Folks,
Life changes. The new price on the Wal-Mart bases is $6.00 each. If it gets much cheaper, they'll pay us to take them! Bob |
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HarbinJr. Elite user I only have 450 Posts |
Kent,
Kewl pics btw. I have some questions for ya. You have a ten by ten space but are you gonna have some wing sections so that illusions can be run off and on to the performing area so that no one will see what you are doing? Have you had any problems walking around the tripods with out tripping on them. I have a couple tripods that I use for different things and I have tripped over those stupid things more times than I care to admit. But the bottom line is is that if it looks good for what your doing and that it works well for what you want then good job making it and good luck in the future. Best Wishes Robert |
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Kent Messmer Veteran user Montana 337 Posts |
Thanks Robert,
I just set them up last night again to attach the lights and adjust them for some black art effects. My first show with them is on the 28 of March. I will be sure to watch for the legs so thanks for the heads up. (I'll make sure to run a video camera just in case I mess up - would love to win that $10,000.00 ya know!) When I set them up I did notice that I will need at least one wing on the draw side. It is just my wife and I in most cases so we need to do the lights, sound and open the curtain. With a wing on the one side we can set everything there and get in and out of the set. Most everything is behind the set so the switching of illusions will happen there. Kent |
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HarbinJr. Elite user I only have 450 Posts |
Kent,
I want to see that tape first hehehehe. If you want some ideas on what do with the wings and all give me a holler. I have a system that can flex with the room or stage that I'm in. The whole thing will pack into the closet. But I have two main wings and I have just gotten some more wings for deeper in the stage. Robert |
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Kent Messmer Veteran user Montana 337 Posts |
Robert,
Any ideas you wish to share I will gladly accept. Do you have any photos? The one thing I will work on at some time will be a larger front opening. This just works because the truss system is ten feet. I could set it up side ways and angle the front part to be wider (when I make larger curtains that is) When using this system I just need to make sure people do not set too far out to the sides or they will not be able to see some of the show. I don't think this will be too much of a problem as this set will only be used when there is not a curtain set available. I just thought of something though... would it look strange to have the back and sides set up on a regular stage if I wanted to controll my black art stuff? Kent |
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HarbinJr. Elite user I only have 450 Posts |
Kent,
Ill have to dig up some of my pics to show you what I'm talking about on my system but Ill attempt to describe it later on this week if I get a chance to. Your idea of just having one wing so that you can get things loaded in and out is not a bad one but from the audience perspective you'll wnat to add another wing to the other side. It looks balanced and then you create the idea that you have a bigger show than what they expeted. It just looks weird to have just one wing and then again you may find that this new wing for the other side could be used in ways that you never thought of for now. I used to have all the illusions to be performed on one side they were brought out to the stage area and performed. Then they were taken off to the other side to be dismantled while the show was going on. Like I said, I'll try and describe my system to you later and if I can find the pics of them I'll try and figure out how to show that off but I'm not that technicaly adapt lol. Magically, Robert Kent, The first curtain system that I used years ago was a "box" system using 3/4" black pipe. I had kinda what you had jsut the box which is when I learned that you really needed the wing sections to have things set up and tear down. I have learned that in most cases take your own curtains because most areas no matter what they say wont have enough coverage for you. The second system that I had built was in theory to be a dream come true. The idea was that it was to be flexible to either stretch or shrink to fit most situations. The system was to then shrink down and then fit into my closet. The bases were made from tractor blades with a section in the middle that were threaded to accept the poles. There were six poles that were roughly five feet in length but then there was a telescoping pole inside of it that could then be raised to a level of ten feet. Typically, I will have it go up to about nine and a half feet. Naturally, I would use two uprights for one section of ten foot by ten foot curtain. The cross bar would come in two sections which would come together quickly having at both ends a hole thru the pipe that would have a bolt slide thru to attact it to a special attachment. This attachment is like a L shaped pipe that would fit inside the uprights. This was made in such a way that could link all the different pipes together to make a total line of curtain of bout fifty feet in length. If need be. There were three main sections of curtains. The two wings were ten foot by ten foot. Made of a material called black atlas. This is a heavy flame retardant fabric that you can get from theatrical companies. It has a pipe pocket at the top. The curtain would, at the top, have a strip of velcro. This strip of velcro was for several reasons. The first was to hang the mylar curtains from them. The mylar curtains also had velcro on the outside of them so that you could hang a sponsors name or hang a show name from the velcro anchors. The center curtain was a ten by ten but it would roll upward instead of splitting apart. The rod that would go inside of this curtain could be bolted to the curtain by use of grommets that were imbedded into the curtain. There would be a pulley wheel at the end of the rod to where you would use a NYLON rope. It was kinda gravity pull. I have recently gotten a aluminum uprights and cross bars to use for some other curtains for the back drops and all. I still use my system that I designed. I will tell you that there are better methods I'm sure but this would fit the bill for many reasons that I use or perform with. There are many details that I have left out so that this post isn't a giant novel or more than what it is now. I hope this helps you out Kent or helps others looking to do your own curtain ideas. If you or others have questions don't be afraid to holler at me. Magically, Robert Long |
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DarryltheWizard Loyal user 238 Posts |
I have a very inexpensive system with existing materials. I use a standard magic table basic, removing the threaded adapter piece. I bought an extendable mop handle from Canadian Tire (Wal-Mart) and attached a copper t-shaped pipe to the top of the mop handle. I then used two plastic pipes in 3 foot sections to the t-pipe. To make this section fit the stand I wrapped cloth binding tape to the top of the table stand. You now have what appears to be a giant T shape on a magic table stand. I purchased some six foot ends of sequined , stretchy dress material. I sewed a large hem at the top and bottom . To set up you slide the drape onto the top T support and to keep the drapes from opening in the middle, I used two cow magnets, rolling the material into them. The material was less than $60.00 on sale. It's excellent for any invisible thread effects and is a nice contrast with my clothing. I simply use two of these frames side by side- all homemade. Everything packs flat into a baseball bag.
Darryl the Economically -minded Wizard
DarryltheWizard
"Life without mystery is like a candle with a snuffed out flame." Albert Einstein |
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Paulo Cabrita Special user 820 Posts |
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On 2004-03-04 19:55, Kent Messmer wrote: I can not watch the photos. Paulo |
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London Special user U.S.A. 769 Posts |
I use a portable curtain the has an interesting history behind it. It folds up into a small trunk or case that fits in the back seat. When opened it stand over nine feet tall and about eleven wide. It is a beautiful heavy duty purple crush velvet. What make it interesting is that it is from a old funeral home. It used to be carried to peoples houses and set up behind the body back in the days people had services at home. But it is a beautiful thing and fits well with my mentalism.
THOUGHTfully,
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Matthew W Inner circle New York 2456 Posts |
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On 2007-09-12 22:07, Paulo Cabrita wrote: http://www.illusionplus.com/photopage2.htm
-Matt
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daviddeltoro New user 21 Posts |
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On 2003-12-30 20:56, magictim wrote: Get away of the Spiders Sytems, only works in very unstable conditions. I mean, have to be inside of a stage to avoid little wind, anyway if the spiders becomes unstable you can attach them to the floor using a lot of strong tape., but the problem comes later, due to the force made bu all the other aluminium bars will bend slightly the ones that supports more tension, making your spider system not collapsible enought. I have spent thousands dollars in this systems and beliave me they are a crap. I actually use a PVC frame with strong base an the courtain I attached to the upper bar with velcro rounding the bar. Take the courtain an seal a pice of male velcro at the top, then seal the female velcro a distance equals to the size of the pvc top bar, then just round the bar with the courtain and attanch the velcro. This system ys very cheap, fast to release after and before a show and more stable in hard conditions. Hope this helps. And remember the only thing that can be bought using sipiders is a table and have in mind that will be a very delicate one. David |
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sb Special user 567 Posts |
This is an article written by stan kramien... It details how you can set up a protable performance area.
http://www.stevensmagic.com/gemini/Stan%......art1.htm scott |
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