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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
Hi all I have asked this already on the Spencer Tricks thread but hopefully this will be more direct,anyone got this and played with it yet?. I like the look of this I have party coming up and my friend wants me to do Captiv3 and the bottle is only examinable after the effect,this one seems better because it looks like it can be examined before aswell,anyone?.
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kevishu New user 96 Posts |
Hey Fire Starter, unfortunately I can't answer that yet, but should be receiving it tomorrow and will let you know then. Hopefully somebody else can answer your question sooner, though.
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Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On 2014-02-06 17:06, kevishu wrote: Many thanks kevishu, look forward to your veiw on it,all the best. Shane |
kevishu New user 96 Posts |
Shane, I received Hornet today and had a quick look. I'm really not familiar with Captiv3, so I did a quick search. It seems we might be comparing apples to oranges, as Captiv3's effect is that the cap penetrates a "sealed" bottle filled with liquid, whereas Hornet is a bent cap penetrating the bottom of an empty bottle. Since I don't know enough about Captiv3, I will only focus on Hornet here. In a nutshell, Hornet is "similar" to Prohibition, but uses an alternate approach to basically do the same thing (a bent cap penetrates the bottom of and empty bottle). To answer your question, YES, Hornet (and Prohibition) allows the spectator to examine the bottle BEFORE and AFTER the effect (you can even borrow the bottle at a moments notice). However, at one phase of the Hornet routine, the bottle is NOT examinable, but I doubt a spectator would even think to ask about examining at that point, since you've already proven its a normal bottle, and it's only for a moment that its NOT examinable. But this is also what separates itself from Prohibition, where you can't even do this part with Prohibition. But is this a big deal? I'm not sure. It looks nice, and throws off magicians familiar with Prohibition, but I highly doubt a spectator would even notice it when comparing routines. I actually consider it more of a subtlety that reinforces it being an ordinary bottle rather than a significant feature of the effect.
It's really hard to compare this to Captiv3. They just seem to be different effects overall. I think you could set Hornet up to do an effect similar to Captiv3 (with a sealed and full bottle), but it would definitely NOT be examinable before. Overall, Hornet is good. If offers a different approach and handling than Prohibition. I could say a bit more comparing Hornet to Prohibition, but I know you were asking about comparing to Captiv3, so I'll end it here. If you have any more questions, let me know. -Kevin |
Fire Starter Inner circle 4809 Posts |
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On 2014-02-07 20:58, kevishu wrote: Thankyou very much Kevin for your very concise reveiw.Sounds like I could possibly perform captiv 3 and then go into Hornet.Must admit I did have a thought about doing it with the bottle sealed as the demo show the cap going in from the bottom as shown with the bottle capped,again many thanks and all the best. Shane |
Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1238 Posts |
This is simply a sub par version of Prohibition. It uses the same gimmick in a manor that everyone who owns Prohibition has tried before, I've done it with a piece of jewelry, if you catch my drift. The difference is your hand has to ditch the cap, whereas in Prohibition, utilizing the Cap Trap Move, the cap is seen up until the last moment before penetration. It's also almost twice the price of Prohibiton 2.0 at Jeffpiercemagic.com or Penguinmagic.com the new distributors of Prohibition 2.0.
Jeff Pierce
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kevishu New user 96 Posts |
Jeff, a few comments, as I have both. Prohibition is great. Hornet is a very legitimate alternative. Whether you, or anybody, have tried the Hornet method before using the Prohibition gimmick is moot since nowhere in the Prohibition teachings does it mention this method. This can be said of many effects out there. We've all experimented with using various gimmicks differently (at least most of us). But funny thing is that the Prohibition method can be accomplished using the Hornet gimmick as well. They're similar gimmicks, just different handlings that are taught explicitly in each.
While I agree that Prohibition method has the advantage of the cap being seen right up to the last moment, it's method requires a lot more practice to hit 100% of the time. Not saying it's difficult at all, just takes more practice. This is where Hornet method provides an nice alternative. Lastly, in regards to price, I didn't receive a very necessary gimmick with Prohibition (which is not cheap). Hornet includes everything that is needed, except for the bottles and caps, of course. You may argue that many magicians may already have this, but that's definitely not the point, and therefore you certainly can't raise the issue of price. One is just a tutorial, the other is a tutorial with everything you need. |
Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1238 Posts |
Kevishu, Charlie Justice does explain using this gimmick in the first disk of Prohibition, and Phase 2 of this routine is straight out Provisions, the free disk that comes along with Prohibition. The only difference is you hold the bottle with two fingers instead of your hand. As far as the gimmick is concerned you can pick up his gimmick at any hardware store for $1.00 or you can use Charlies preferred method and purchase a gimmick that is better and easier to hide, but yes more expensive, we give you that option. BTW the version of Prohibition that is being released by Penguin does come with the gimmick used in The Hornet.
If you would like I can send you a link to download the Prohibition files so then you will know what you are talking about. Just PM me. Jeff
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Jeff Inner circle Orlando, FL 1238 Posts |
I just re-read my last post and I suppose the last line might sound a little condescending, not my intention at all Kevin so PM me if you would like to watch the Prohibition 2.0 files to refresh your memory.
Jeff Pierce
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kevishu New user 96 Posts |
Thanks, Jeff. No problem. I read that at first and initially thought it was condescending, but then realized how sometimes things like that seem happen a lot in written word. No worries, I was giving you the benefit of the doubt anyway.
I may owe you a big apology anyway, as I was starting to go through my Prohibition and Provisions files. NOW I remember why I don't ever remember seeing anything on there other than the "preferred" method... I never watched all of it. The reason is the video and audio were always way out of sync. But, for some reason, I just now realized that since its a .mov format, I need to view it with QuickTime movie player. So I tried it again and now I can actually watch it all with audio and vieeo in sync. So I'm sorry for commenting without being fully informed. I don't have time to watch it all at the moment. I'll check it out later and report back any additional thoughts/questions. But regardless, just skimming through the stuff, it looks like there's a lot more value for the money with the Prohibition 2.0 DVD/video set than with Hornet. Even without viewing all of it yet, I WILL say that Prohibition 2.0 is the superior product. Thanks for helping me realize what I was missing! -Kevin |
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