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thementalcoach New user Sacramento, CA 64 Posts 
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I'd NEVER say "I'm not in league with Satan, either," to a fundamentalist religious group - because I don't want to put that thought in their head.
And no spoon bending, hypnosis or altered state of consciousness? Well, dang, there goes most of the fun stuff. Although I've discovered that spoon bending and ESP effects do have a significant "freak out" factor - which is why I do them.
David Kenward - The Mental Coach
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Ian Rowland Special user London 889 Posts
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A rational person cannot win an argument with an irrational one, because the rational person feels the need to make sense.
So what can you do with these delusional, mind-deformed people who don't appreciate your talents, disrespect you as a performer and feel perfectly good about wasting your time? Nothing. There is nothing TO be done. Walk away. And don't go back.
www.ianrowland.com . Working Magic.
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mastermindreader 1949 - 2017 Seattle, WA 12586 Posts
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It's always a good idea to find out who your audience is going to be BEFORE you agree to do a show.
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geraldbelton New user Durham, NC 63 Posts
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On Mar 31, 2014, Thaumaturge wrote: I do this... my name is in a database of persons who are not allowed to play the North Carolina Lottery. It's there because I happen to work in the building where the numbers are drawn, but I don't mention THAT. I just casually, after predicting a random number chosen by members of the audience, mention "Now you know why I'm banned from playing the lottery in North Carolina." |
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thementalcoach New user Sacramento, CA 64 Posts
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On Mar 31, 2014, Ian Rowland wrote: So true. Years ago, I worked as a psych tech in a locked mental facility and I learned, 1) rational explanations are not effective to someone with a different reality; 2) different reality describes much of human interaction; and 3) we usually have the right to decide whether to engage - or not. If someone learns I use hypnosis and tells me I do the work of the devil (happens more than you might think), I just say, politely, "everyone is entitled to their opinion" and walk away.
David Kenward - The Mental Coach
One-on-One: Healing Trauma - Hypnosis, Hypnotherapy Groups: Magic, Mentalism Sacramento, California http://thementalcoach.com |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts
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So what did your 'friend who asked if you would help out' have to say about the matter?
But even the official David Copperfield forum has had some err ummm interesting people calling him a devil worshiper as he must be to be able to do the things he does. You are never going to correct that mindset and I'd rather back way slowly than try.
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matrose9 New user 65 Posts
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My friend apologized, it wasn't his fault at all so I obviously forgave him haha. All in all I feel as though getting kicked out of a church for performing an illusion that was so convincing that it made them uncomfortable pretty much a win. I may take the advice of some of the posts here and use it for publicity. thanks everyone for your input.
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Dynamike Eternal Order FullTimer 24148 Posts
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On Mar 30, 2014, matrose9 wrote: I would not fool with that group of people. A lot of them are fearful of magic. They are related to people in Africa. In parts of Africa they would kill people who perform magic or mentalism. That is why they wanted you to leave. |
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Shrubsole Inner circle Kent, England 2455 Posts
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Yes when people have run away screaming, and they have, I consider that a great achievement.
I've had comments of "Keep away from me!" as well and that is most delightful. People who have brought into the idea that you and what you are doing is real, are far easier to work with than a bunch of sceptics looking down their noses and trying to grab everything, question everything and generally try and take over the act.
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dzen871 New user 57 Posts
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Funny story! I don't know why but I remembered when Derren Brown used a satanic ritual in his TV series "Faith and Fear". I guess people in the audience where scared a lot!
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts
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I just did a similar charity gig. The event committee originally backed out over concerns that the show might be too dark. I did a few things to set positive expectations.
* Explained in detail to the event organizer that the show was going to be upbeat and fun * I told her the material that was more for my edgy audiences would not be performed * Basically, I asked questions and set her mind at ease Then I had to tailor the set. I took out my Jack the Ripper routine. I took out Lun@ but then reworked it to be less dark (thanks to the people in the Café for helping me tailor an ending!) A tiger can't change its stripes. If you have a dark personality and persona, then you probably should avoid charity events that are going to be generally upbeat and light. If not, set expectations and tailor the presentation. You can come up with a presentational hook to fit any audience. For example, psychometry could be dark with a spirit living within the object but that might be too dark for a charity. However, you could say that the object as "vibrations" from the past like ripples on a pond.
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konjurer Veteran user Iowa 395 Posts
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On Mar 30, 2014, C.J. wrote: I agree. However, I think almost any routine short of really, really edgy stuff and séances can be tailored to fit any audience. As a conservative Christian, I think there is a misconception that Christians are closed-minded or they're a monolithic entity that thinks alike. Most are just convicted by their beliefs not to dabble in real magic or séances. Christians watch the same entertainment as most Americans (actually a majority Americans are Christian). The fringes of Christianity do not define the entire group. There is a lot of diversity within the church. Just try to find out who you are dealing with, tailor your script and set expectations with the event organizers in advance.
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Rolyan Special user I'm fencing in my land; so far there are 590 Posts
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My Dad was a Vicar. He taught me magic and performed it himself. When performing professionally I still found time to support charities with free shows. But I accept that some don't.
Learn from what happened. Also, I respectfully advise you to ignore any advice on here to dismiss anyone as small minded, narrow minded etc. Everyone deserves respect, even those we disagree with. |
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MichaelCGM Inner circle Oklahoma City 2286 Posts
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Quote: That was entirely uncalled for. Calling a person delusional and mind-deformed simply because they hold beliefs that are contrary to yours is extremely unprofessional, and the epitome of arrogance.On Mar 31, 2014, Ian Rowland wrote: |
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MichaelCGM Inner circle Oklahoma City 2286 Posts
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I agree with several of the others. Performing for certain religious people is difficult. Back when I performed magic for adults, I was curious about why a church audience seemed bored with my version of the TV Card Frame. The person who paid me said, “We don’t believe in cards.” After a mentalism show at a Christian College, one person came up and explained that it was a sin to control the minds of others. My response was that, “I’m an entertainer. Does it entertain you more to believe that what I did was real, or is it more entertaining to believe it was not real?” He seemed more comfortable with that response. Anytime you agree to perform in a religious or pseudo-religious setting, try to learn about their taboos.
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Rolyan Special user I'm fencing in my land; so far there are 590 Posts
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On Apr 1, 2014, MichaelCGM wrote: +1 Although I suppose we have to respect his beliefs as well. This social conscience is difficult at times. |
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MichaelCGM Inner circle Oklahoma City 2286 Posts
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Quote: No, we don't have to respect his beliefs, just as he doesn't have to respect the beliefs of others. But we do need to respect him as a person. One can argue the merits of different beliefs without insulting the person who holds such beliefs.
On Apr 1, 2014, Rolyan wrote: Note: This is my last post about the rudeness of Ian's post. I made my point, and I don't want to derail an important thread. |
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saysold1 Eternal Order Recovering Cafe addict with only 10798 Posts
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Ken Weber actually discussed the exact issue brought up by the OP in his Maximum Entertainment book.
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