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Andy Young Special user Jersey Shore, PA 813 Posts |
Do some Harry Lorayne material. I love his Numero Uno effect. Harry packs so many effects into one book that it would take years for youtube to catch up.
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funsway Inner circle old things in new ways - new things in old ways 9981 Posts |
If the objective of the audience is "entertain me" then performing an effect they think they know can be more entertaining than something new and unexpected. If they appreciate good magic over simple entertainment then they either are not scouring YouTube or will care that they understand something of the secret. Most classic effects are "known" by a large percentage of the audience, but they still enjoy the presentation and are caught up in the magic.
I would never allow the fact that a trick has been exposed on YouTube or is contained in a magic kit greatly influence my choice of effects for a particular audience. Allowing people to handle sponge balls gives away some of the secret -- yet Sponge Bunnies remains ever "entertaining."
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Bill Hegbli Eternal Order Fort Wayne, Indiana 22797 Posts |
Every trick that I looked up on YouTube has been totally wrong in the assembly and method. Many are not even anywhere near how the trick works. So they are really only the person's best guess. Don't worry about it, just do your magic and don't use the commercial name of the trick. Just make up your own creative name to call your miracles.
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Lin_ New user 70 Posts |
You can think of "many illusions are exposed on youtube". But many of them are not exposed, actually.
Just think of cutting illusion only. Phil Moore version's and Brett daniel's version of "Sawing a Lady in Half", Frederic Clement's "see-trough Lady Cut in Halves", Saman Zerin's "SICAMBRIA", and more illusions are not exposed yet. They are all hpowerful, and many people cannot notice of it. And more people are cannot make notice of many of Franz Harry's illusions. |
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Stanman New user 14 Posts |
Again, I throw these thoughts to you... It's my opinion that those who are seeking to expose tricks are attempting to satisfy their egos in some way. Yes, it can be said that magicians are trying to satisfy their egos as well, but the true magician's intent is not at the expense of their brothers and sisters or the art. Unless a trick is kept within limited circles or the originating magician's mind, exposers' minds enjoy the challenge of unwrapping a mystery, as a challenge, in the way that hackers derive their pleasure from gaining access to "denied" cyber territory, or much like the safe-cracking criminal who must undo the lock to gain entrance into someone else's private space. Remember going to the beach and building a beautiful sand castle, only to have someone come along who wanted to knock it down?
Magician's are on the side of "creating" and up against an element of the human psyche in some people that needs to fulfill their sense of personal adequacy or superiority through a challenge of their choice. They just can't let something be. In a way, they're vandals and rapists who take pleasure exhibiting their power to satisfy their self-esteem through acts of destroying or defacing. I believe they are desperate to conquer, as a demonstration of strength. To them, it's a contest of "the better man winning" much like a sports enthusiast who tries to win and master their game. To the exposer, he or she can't win, so they show their superiority by destroying. Magic only provides the medium, not the reason for the exposer's actions. It's a selfish desire to say "Look at me; look at what I've uncovered -- or -- what I've done! They didn't fool me!" If you don't think this is an inherent human tendency, leave some bubble wrap on a table and see how long it takes for someone to come along and start popping the bubbles. After pondering the concern of this thread, I've come to realize how insignificant this issue actually is. First of all, the people who are doing the exposing are never going to achieve any goal of destruction of magic simply because a magic effect is 50% solid routine and the other half is, at minimum, 50% presentation skill and technique, and much greater for many effects. Most of us acknowledge that two magicians can perform the same trick, yet, the manner of the routine can provide completely different and distinct results! My other realization is that the once these exposers do their dastardly deeds, what can they take with them -- or to whom? In other words, their expositions are self-destructive in that they have nothing else to offer and they then must search for something else to try to destroy. On the other hand, we magicians, if we succeed, often hear "Do that again!" We get invited to perform the same effect again! The exposer will never know such joy. The exposer may be seen by some to be a "hero", yet to others, a spoiler. As with most events in life, it all depends on what side of the fence you want to sit on, and the show you want to see. |
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
Interesting to see this thread still running. I’d advise anyone to personalize your effects. If you’re performing “straight out of the box”, you’re just asking for trouble. My very first show (coming back after a long sabbatical) used an OM Billet box, but it was one I’d built myself, and it looked and handled NOTHING AT ALL like what most mentalists think of. I also had a diverting handling so that the moment of exchange was very well covered. I used it in a routine borrowed from Banachek’s portfolio, but used colored papers like Annemann.
And yes, I had challengers. In that first show, a couple of young men were actively texting each other while Googling for all they were worth DURING the show. They didn‘t find a thing! It actually got a little too distracting and some other guests quietly asked them to tone it down. Bottom line? I didn’t get caught, but it also taught me places to tighten up. It was my fault that they were so disengaged as to need “action” somewhere else. Nowadays nobody even thinks about questioning me (plus more of my “stuff” is original to me), and I haven’t seen Googlers in a couple years. While they are in my presence, it just doesn’t even occur to them. (Gawd, does that sound conceited!) Appreciate the link on NPD. Sounds like something worth studying.
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Bob Sanders Grammar Supervisor Magic Valley Ranch, Clanton, Alabama 20504 Posts |
Frankly, I think the greatest exposure comes from hobbyists through poor performance.
YouTube is not exactly the place for a pro to audition. I've been a professional entertainer 56 years. Still I've never had to provide recorded audition to anyone. Starting with a personal manager who represents you to agents keeps you working and focused on performing rather than sidelines. I seriously doubt that professional talent buyers (and I owned an agency for years) waste much of their time with YouTube. Also professional talent buyers are much more interested in how well you perform and are received by the audience than how the trick is done. Of course, I don't like exposure but I doubt it has ever cost me a booking. |
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
I agree, Bob. When I first came back I wanted to distance myself as much as possible from “average magicians”. My biggest fear was being confused with a VBS or Kidshow performer.
As fate would have it, my boys' music school recently asked me to do a show for one of their Bible school classes. I knew Mentalism wouldn’t fly, but it’s taught me MUCH about performance. I pulled together some fun effects like Vanishing Yellow Bandanna and Thought Projector and jumped in! Later as the school head was giving me my money he commented that he really hadn’t been expecting much (We’ve all seen those VBS amateurs), but he was very pleasantly surprised. The magic was “actually good”, the kids were engaged, and "even the grownups" were entertained, and he wanted to book me for two more shows. (And he handed me a $20 tip! ) Bottom line, inept performance is the real enemy!
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Dick Oslund Inner circle 8357 Posts |
D.W. You mentioned the Thought Projector! I'll PM you.
Yup! I agree 200%--inept performance!
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Maxy Special user 636 Posts |
It is not the trick it is the performer. If the performer has good presentation ,convincing performance and entertaining it will make people enjoy its show without thinking about how it is done.
My wife knows TT and she saw my collection of them but still I fool her with simple vanishing silk most magic kits include TT and vanishing silk trick, it was exposed over and over in youtube but still you can fool people with it if you do it properly . Entertain your audience and make them live with their emotions and expectations. Throw some comedy bits here and there. Be actor playing the role of magician.
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Maxy Special user 636 Posts |
Good video to learn something from it ( TT and sponge balls):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fR6WWcrqCo4
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James R New user 3 Posts |
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On Jun 15, 2014, Maxy wrote: I'm just learning - but seeing people perform well really does inspire me to keep going |
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Stanman New user 14 Posts |
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On Jun 16, 2014, James R wrote: James... Hopefully your inspiration for magic is deeper than viewing others, whether they be superior or inferior to your ability. The beauty of magic is that we can set the bar according to our own style, ability level, and talent, yet it is in pleasing our audiences that we will receive our greatest pleasure. Many people can perform magic tricks, but the true magician is one who incessantly seeks to improve his or her performances with the intention of entertaining a specific amount of time. If I based my future in magic on other performers, should I quit for not achieving what great magicians have already accomplished? The splendor of magic is that our ability grows with our effort. Magic is a progressive art form of entertainment. Someone may start out on YouTube, yet later become a first rate performer. That's one reason I don't oppose YouTube presentations as they provide a means for beginning performers to get accustomed to the pressures of entertaining. It takes courage to be willing to subject oneself to the critiques of others, as any entertainer assumes whenever we perform. There will always be those who are better than you and I, and there will those who are worse. If you love magic, then you should come to the rationale that you really won't ever give magic up. Choose to be the best you can be, and stick to that goal, regardless of how others perform. How your audience sees you today is not how they have to see you tomorrow. Best to you. |
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The Great Todd New user 5 Posts |
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DWRackley Inner circle Chattanooga, TN 1909 Posts |
Looks like a good resource, although I did find a couple bad links on the Magazines page.
The Magic Word http://scottwellsmagic.posterous.com/ Visions http://www.online-visions.com/ Thanks for the lists,
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