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Jonty Regular user England, UK 167 Posts |
OK, trying to decide whether to cut the inner ribbon out of my dye tube or not. What's your preference folks and why?
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1616 Posts |
That depends on a number of factors: If it is a hand dye tube, are the ends of the dye tube 'turned in'? If so, more than likely the ribbon is superfluous. Both the turned in edges and the ribbon are there to keep the silks from popping out of the tube after the change. It's like wearing a belt and suspenders...either or, not both!
If the dye tube is like that used in the Al Baker routine, larger in size...leave the ribbon in. The larger tubes for dyeing via a paper tube (rather than in the hand) if manufactured by Rice, tend to have the plunger, which replaced the ribbon...but either works! Regards- J.Neal
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
I prefer mine open all the way through.
I use Duane laflin's handling also. Todd |
chmara Inner circle Tucson, AZ 1911 Posts |
IMHO these are used for different reasons and effect. If you are doing a color transposition and have a strong pouch -- you may like the tape (or plunger) left in place so your stuffed piece does not pop out when it shouldn't. You never know what is going to happen in performance and pushing too harden the inserted piece under the sweat of a hard performance, loud noise or inattention to your own strength can pop silk past the lip. The lip, however, is ideal for pick-ups where nothing is being pouched in.
If you look at Billy McComb's half died silks you will find he originally cut up lighter style liquid gas refilling tubes for his gimmicks -- and used more gimmicks and switches than one might think about unless you were very devious. To me, also, more important than the gimmick used, often is the manner of folding or stuffing the silk and that takes some work to get used to Just jamming a silk into a tube without thought to the handling from loading, to pick-up, to production or switch, and then ditch -- will really determine what you should use that is "foolproof" for each effect.
Gregg (C. H. Mara) Chmara
Commercial Operations, LLC Tucson, AZ C. H. Mara Illusion & Psychic Entertainments |
Jonty Regular user England, UK 167 Posts |
I actually have three different dye tubes, one with rolled edges, one without and a palmo as used by Duane Laflin. The first two have ribbons, the palmo doesn't. I actually prefer using the palmo but it's a little too big for some situations as I've started performing it in close up conditions and it makes for awkward concealment angles. I just find the ribbon gets in the way on the smaller tubes so I'm tempted to remove it from the rolled edge one. As J Neil says, the rolled edges should keep the silk from making an unexpected appearance! Thanks for your help guys.
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
I'm not sure what size silks you are using but a Simplex Tube might work well for you. It is rolled edges, no ribbons, and it is much smaller than the Palmo. It is available at SKS.
Mister Mystery
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Jonty Regular user England, UK 167 Posts |
Thanks Regan, I shall take a look. I'm currently using 12" silks just to keep things small for my pocket.
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Jonty, I love the Simplex, and 12" silks are perfect for it! Check out the SKS website. Along with the Simplex they offer several other quality dye tubes, and many fine silk products as well!
Mister Mystery
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Jef Eaton Special user 526 Posts |
Vernet puts out a dye tube similar in shape to Joe Porper's tube but made of the same plastic material they make their thumbtips out of. I use diamond cut silks in mine.
I like it because the paint never wears off and doesn't reflect the sun when working outside. You know you need to paint your gimmick when you are blinding people in the audience at the fair. Just kidding...I do paint my tubes regularly,but 200 or so shows a year beat the heck out of your props.
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55Hudson Special user Minneapolis 984 Posts |
Regan,
I have a Smplex from SKS, but have never really figured how to use it in a way that had advantages over a Palmo or TT. Is there a reference book or DVD that covers handling of this device? Thanks! Hudson |
Jonty Regular user England, UK 167 Posts |
I've taken a look at the SKS Simplex and it looks to be very similar to my rolled edged (and now ribbonless!) dye tube. Mine however has a metal band around the middle which obviously holds the two ends together and originally trap the ribbon inside. What is it about the Simplex that you like?
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JNeal Inner circle I used to have 999 posts, now I have 1616 Posts |
The simplex (as well as the Palmo and others) is well covered in Rice's " Thru' the Dye Tube" pamphlet .
J.Neal
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55Hudson Special user Minneapolis 984 Posts |
Thanks!
Hudson |
inhumaninferno Elite user 452 Posts |
I use a large brass dye tube painted flesh tone with turned in edges and a cloth ribbon. Have used this same one for close to 40 years. I use larger silks. The ribbon keeps it from going through one way and the turned edges help keep it in on the other end after stuffing. As always, to each their own.
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
Quote:
On Apr 9, 2014, 55Hudson wrote: Yes, J.Neal answered correctly. I am fairly sure that the pamplet is included with the device. It may be available separately, I'm not sure.
Mister Mystery
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Regan Inner circle U.S.A. 5726 Posts |
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On Apr 9, 2014, Jonty wrote: Jonty, yes I'm sure it is similar. I prefer the simplex over anything if I am using silks that are appropriate to it's size. It has rolled edges, no ribbon, and it is easier for me to conceal and handle. I can steal and hold it with only one finger. I can't do that with any other dye tube I have (and I have a bunch of them) except for one that I made myself. The holes are smaller, which is the only downside to me, but I will gladly trade that to be able to hold it with one finger. You mentioned that the Palmo is a little large for you and creates some awkward concealment angles. I feel the same way when I am in certain situations. The Simplex eliminates those problems for me. Jef already mentioned this, but another one I like is the Porper Dye Tube. It is similar to the palmo but smaller, so you might want to check it out. It is very well made and a nice size....kind of in between the Simplex and the Palmo.
Mister Mystery
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bkmeyer Regular user Greenville, SC 118 Posts |
I started with a simple Abbott's dye tube and used it successfully for years (has the ribbon divider). I have now used the simplex for probably equally as long and prefer it over the ribbon. I'm not sure under what circumstances I'd need the divider again but I have kept the old Abbott's model just in case. More and more now, however, I love the Palmo since I can use larger loads (I use the Palmo for half dyed hank). Either way, though, the color change works the same.
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Jonty Regular user England, UK 167 Posts |
Yes, the palmo is great for kids or stage work as you can use much larger silks, but is just a little too bulky for more intimate situations. I think I shall order a Simplex as it seems to be getting such a thumbs up. Cheers guys
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bowers Inner circle Oakboro N.C. 7024 Posts |
Simplex is a excellent tube.
Todd |
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