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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
It is amazing how much wee people are taxed ie:
“VANCOUVER, BC—A Canadian family earning an average income spends more money each year on taxes than on the basic necessities of life, concludes a new report published by the Fraser Institute, Canada’s leading public policy think-tank.” http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-news/search.aspx
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
"Canada’s leading public policy think-tank?" Say what you will, the Fraser Institute is not humble.
http://www.fraserinstitute.org/research-......ombined/ This is what the report says: "The report also notes that in 1961, the average family spent 56.5 per cent of its income to pay for shelter, food, and clothing; in the same year, 33.5 per cent of the family’s income went to government taxes. By 1981, the spending demands had evened up: 40.8 per cent of an average family’s income went to governments in the form of taxes, while 40.5 per cent was spent on shelter, food, and clothing. By 2011, the situation was reversed from 1961: the average family spent 33.6 of its income on the necessities of life while 41.5 per cent of its income went to taxes." So basic living expenses over the time period dropped remarkably (56.5 to 33.6 percent, down 23 points). Taxes went up a fraction of that (33.5 to 41.5 percent, up 8 points) Where is the outrage? Part of the increase in taxes had to do with public supported and popular health care expansion, by the way. The government started covering many additional medical services circa 1965.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
LOL the Fraser Institute is the voice of the small minority of Canadians who really wish they could be Republicans when they grow up.
In addition to Balducci's comment, it's telling that the Fraser Institute does not consider ANY of the benefits of public taxation to be "basic necessities". Clean water, sanitation, transportation, health care, etc. are apparently not "basic necessities." It is also worth noting that universal health care was not enacted until 1966. Given the numbers Balducci quotes, I'd say Canadians are getting a real bargain. (Which is not to be read as "everything is currently perfect"!)
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Ray Tupper. Special user NG16. 749 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2014, tommy wrote: Those poor dwarves.
What do we want?
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Although an expense can be expressed as a percentage, it's inherently a quantity. If you pay $10.000 in taxes on $50,000 of income (20%) one year, then pay $19,000 on $100,000 (19%) the next year, your tax expense did NOT decrease.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Well, either way, no one ever said tax expenses decreased. Did we? Overall, in Canada, taxes and living expenses together went from 90% of a family's income in 1961 to 75.1% in 2011. (As Magnus noted, taxes also cover basic necessities like clean water, sanitation, transportation, expanded universal health care over that period, etc.) Incomes went up significantly over those 50 years. We're paying less of it as a percentage. We may be paying more out in dollars, but we are also keeping far more in dollars than before. I think that is a good thing. I'm not going to quibble over what the appropriate split should be, between taxes and living expenses. I don't know what the optimal split is. I'm pretty sure no here one does. Nor anyone at the Fraser Institute. I do think the premise of the Fraser Institute's study is a little silly. So we are now paying MORE, as a percentage, in taxes than we do for living expenses. So what? It would rather have it the other way? The Fraser Institute would be happier if living expenses were higher, if bread was $20 a loaf and gas was $25 a gallon? Well, maybe it would. The Fraser Institute does not disclose its funding sources anymore (what is it hiding?), but we know it has accepted money from Philip Morris, Exxon Mobil, the Koch brothers and Koch industries, etc., in the past.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Call it my cringe response...I've seen (yes in these very pages) the "as a percentage" model made to "support" some very misleading statements.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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landmark Inner circle within a triangle 5194 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: It's not inherently anything. Context is everything *when making comparisons*.
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
A bit more about the Fraser's Institute's funding. The Koch Brothers appear to still be quite deeply involved with FI. Sadly their annual reports don't actually give any details as to the sources or destinations of their funding.
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned; The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity.--Yeats |
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I'll leave this one up to Merriam Webster:
: the amount of money that is needed to pay for or buy something : an amount of money that must be spent especially regularly to pay for something : something on which money is spent There's a reason that caveats are used when (most objective) sources discuss (express) expenses (or revenues) "as a percentage of" (fill in the blank).
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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Magnus Eisengrim Inner circle Sulla placed heads on 1053 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Balducci appealed both to percentage and to percentage points, both appropriately, I believe.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I don't agree, but I appreciate that your mileage may vary. If the government took in 5% more in tax revenues one year and GNP increased 7%, would you agree with the blanket statement that revenues decreased?
"Torture doesn't work" lol
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: Yes, but Magnus is getting accurate mileage. Perhaps reread my very last post. I did not say what you described. Specifically, what did I say that you disagree with? Without cutting and pasting part of a sentence or paragraph and ignoring the rest of it, I mean.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
"Basic living expenses over the time period dropped remarkably."
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2014, LobowolfXXX wrote: I said in my very last post (not my first one), where I was more accurately expressing my thoughts. So as to better satisfy the nit-pickers. (I thought that was the post Magnus was referring to, perhaps not.)
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
Oh, sorry. I don't have any disagreements with that post, and in fact, I agree with this part rather strongly:
Quote: On Jun 25, 2014, balducci wrote:
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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tommy Eternal Order Devil's Island 16544 Posts |
How would cutting tax cause the price of a loaf to rise to $20?
Also the price of gas is mainly tax.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
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On Jun 25, 2014, tommy wrote: That wasn't what I was saying. I imagine it wouldn't. Quote:
On Jun 25, 2014, tommy wrote: In the U.K., perhaps. If you say so, I'll take your word for it. But not so much here, apparently: http://retail.petro-canada.ca/en/fuelsavings/2139.aspx
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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balducci Loyal user Canada 227 Posts |
Okay, so if basic living expenses (shelter, food, and clothing) and basic health care and all government taxes (covering clean water, sanitation, transportation, etc.) take up 75.1% of a Canadian family's income ... what is the corresponding figure for other countries in the world? In the U.S. or the U.K., say?
I took a quick look but did not find directly comparable statistics. Maybe someone else will have better luck or more time to spend on this.
Make America Great Again! - Trump in 2020 ... "We're a capitalistic society. I go into business, I don't make it, I go bankrupt. They're not going to bail me out. I've been on welfare and food stamps. Did anyone help me? No." - Craig T. Nelson, actor.
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LobowolfXXX Inner circle La Famiglia 1196 Posts |
I think it's about 115% in California.
"Torture doesn't work" lol
Guess they forgot to tell Bill Buckley. "...as we reason and love, we are able to hope. And hope enables us to resist those things that would enslave us." |
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